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Suspect (if convicted) early life

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If he was the one being convicted, I've gathered a little definition on his lifespan long before the murders. Born September 9, 1972,[1] Richard is a lifelong Indiana resident as well as an employee for both Walmart and CVS Pharmacy who lived in several towns over the years. It was unknown if he was born in Mexico, but did graduate nearby from North Miami Middle/High School in Denver, where he played football and track and field. He also attended Ivy Tech Community College afterward, where he studied accounting. He also joined the Army and the National Guard.

Allen left Delphi in December 2006 for neighboring Mexico.[2] During his interview, he had a history of depression, anxiety, high blood pressure and cholesterol problems after suffering a heart attack in 2010. Allen spent 10 years working as a manager at a Walmart store (in Logansport or Wabash).[3] He moved to CVS in 2013, starting at the South Broadway Avenue location in Peru, Indiana, and did receive his pharmacy technician license in February 2018. There are complaints or sanctions against him appear on file with the Indiana’s state pharmacy board.

There's not a lot of records, but the only ones that made it to the public are traffic violations, with the most recent being a speeding ticket in Jasper County in 2013. He was also ticketed for speeding in Fulton County in 2005, and his earliest ticket was for driving without a seatbelt in 2003. 2600:1702:5225:C010:C038:7798:BEAF:562E (talk) 19:58, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What encyclopedic value does "this guy got some traffic tickets 20 years ago" provide? Lostsandwich (talk) 01:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think they're just sharing all the info they found whether it's useful or not. 209.6.200.92 (talk) 19:47, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Birth date

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His birth date is 9-9-72. I have seen it in multiple documents. Why can't we list it here? 32.209.69.24 (talk) 06:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:BLPPRIMARY, which says: Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. His full DOB can be added when it's supported by secondary WP:Reliable sources. Some1 (talk) 14:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So we can say he was born "September 1972" ... but we can't say "September 9, 1972" ... ? How much more "extreme caution" do we need? God forbid his date is listed 3 or 4 days off. Seems like missing the forest for the trees. 32.209.69.24 (talk) 23:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can say that he was (born 1971/1972) since the two sources cited say he was 52 as of 2024. Some1 (talk) 02:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You missed my point. I will repeat it. So we can say he was born "September 1972" ... but we can't say "September 9, 1972" ... ? How much more "extreme caution" do we need? God forbid his date is listed 3 or 4 days off. Seems like missing the forest for the trees. Also, listing "he was born 1971/1972" is worse -- not better -- than saying "September 1972". 32.209.69.24 (talk) 07:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]