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I have created a new Ming map, based on previous Ming maps and other maps (see description on Commons) and also the map used on zhwiki. What do you think about using this map in this article?
If you look at this very page you'll see some recent deliberations on why we have the map we presently do, and why we don't use the 中国历史地图, which your map ultimately references. Remsense ‥ 论12:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, only in part. But that immediately creates a distinct problem of WP:SYNTH—it's changing some of what is referenced explicitly to one source to what another source says, in so doing creating a new set of claims that disagrees with what any given source itself says. Remsense ‥ 论12:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the uncropped version of the 1415 map shows Ming controlling parts of Sumatra given the color scheme and labelling of Palembang as "Chiu-Chiang", which is the romanization of the Chinese term 舊港 "old port" (jiu gang or jiu xiang in mandarin), short for "舊港宣慰司" or Old Port Pacification Superintendency. This is in accordance with the fact that the Ming established the polity of the Old Port Pacification Superintendency 舊港宣慰司 in 1407 after the battle of Palembang, with it lasting until circa 1440, so Palembang would still be under Ming control in 1415. This paper https://ari.nus.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/wps04_028.pdf confirms that the Ming court had control over this polity. As for the change in colour key, I used a colour picker on the image and one could see it is better just with the naked eye. Jimmyshay (talk) 19:38, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Was this really understood to be "Ming territory", rather than something like a client state? I do not know. In any case, I can understand that it should be visible regardless, so I have re-cropped the map.Remsense ‥ 论19:41, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's a different colour (more greenish). The 1966 edition uses more obviously contrasting colours. The map uses Chinese names for lots of places, e.g. Hsi-lan (Sri Lanka) and (not shown on this crop) T'ien-t'ang (Mecca). It is not making the claim you assert. Kanguole21:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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