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Does ANYONE actually know what they're talking about here?
"London is the capital and largest city of both England and the United Kingdom, with a population of around 8.8 million" ??????? What a load of tripe. No wonder the English get laughed at by the rest of The World. They talk shite.
Can anybody explain, what exactly IS the 'capital' of England? Is it London (the city of that name) or is it Greater London (the metropolitan county of that name). I've never read so much drivel as I read on Wikipedia.
No, wait, yes I have. "MY LONDON" is saying London (City) is bigger than New York (City) which, again, is rubbish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.249.162 (talk) 00:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Greater London is equal to the most common definition of London - the city. London's population is indeed 8.8 million and it is larger than that of New York City's. Felleno (talk) 11:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This again.City Status is only ceremonial in the UK. Greater London has a single overarching government that covers all 32 boroughs. Westminster has no more power than neighboring Camden or Lambeth and it’s within the London post code. The only place in GL that has any real difference is the City of London.Bjoh249 (talk) 23:22, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
London is the largest city in England and in the UK, but England does not have a 'capital' as England does not have a government: it is simply part of the UK. Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland all have capital cities which are the seats of (devolved) government, but England has no specific government. Redrocker (talk) 22:50, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I propose that we change the lead sentence from ... is the capital and largest city ... to ... is the capital and largest urban area ..., in order to better reflect London's lack of city status. The {{efn}} that immediately follows do provide some explanation about this and we should absolutely keep it, but I don't think it excuses or sufficiently contextualizes the fact that we call London a city when it's merely "considered" one. Let us use proper terminology in the lead itself and then have the {{efn}} explain the difference between a legal city and a commonly-referred-to-as city. Rose Abrams (TCL) 12:29, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Pretty much irrelevant" according to who? Ceremony does not eliminate relevancy of information and correct terminology, and other articles seem to confirm that – most (and probably almost all) other articles on major UK population centers use either "city" or "town" in the lead sentence in correct correlation to their respective city status. So established style supports the change. Rose Abrams (TCL) 21:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Vpab15. Surely what is important is the ordinary meaning of the word "city" as universally understood . "City status" is but a narrow legal technicality in this context. -- Alarics (talk) 10:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, as I said above, other articles about UK population centers already use terminology that follows obeys legal city status. Calling it a "narrow legal technicality" feels to me like a subjective argument. Rose Abrams (TCL) 10:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So far, it seems like the arguments against have been based on a percieved unimportance of city status and the specification thereof, which as I mentioned is contradicted by practice in other similar articles. But more to the point, is anyone particularly opposed to describing London as an "urban area" per my suggestion? Is using the specific word "city" critical to a reader's understanding of the topic? I see no reason, it doesn't change the core meaning of the sentence at all. So we may as well use correct terminology. Rose Abrams (TCL) 12:42, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Let me point out WP:NOVOTE – I'm putting forth arguments in favor of my suggestion, and the response have been exactly two people saying that they consider it unimportant. I welcome everyone to respond to the actual arguments that I'm making, but I'm not going to "drop" anything because of unsourced personal opinions. So, back to the point, is it incorrect to call London an urban area? Rose Abrams (TCL) 21:33, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is incorrect. The urban area is called Greater London Built-up Area, which includes the city of London and its surrounding areas. The majority of reliable sources refer to London as a city, so it is you who wants to change the long-standing status quo based on unsourced opinions. Vpab15 (talk) 21:57, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see no such sources, but I do see plenty of status quo across enWP that city status should be followed as prev Actually nevermind, I'm dropping out of this for health reason since Internet arguments tear me apart. I'll bring this up again in a few months when I feel better and have gathered those sources. Bye. Rose Abrams (TCL) 07:00, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done for now:: Please provide sources. Warriorglance(talk to me) 06:02, 21 March 2025 (UTC)