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Trump TFG

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I added TFG / The Former Guy as a name for Trump. It was immediately reverted on the grounds that it's not in common usage. I'd say it's very common. There's about 765,000 hits on Google right now. There's an entry for it at Dictionary.com https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/tfg/ It's one of the items on the disambiguation page for TFG It's definitely common enough to be included. Can we please add it.

RfC: Should the nickname Genocide Joe be in this article?

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Should the nickname "Genocide Joe" be included on a list of nicknames used for Presidents of the United States? 14:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC) HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 14:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • '''No''' This may be reviewed later as the name may stick and come into popular use but right now it can't be said that this is a widely used nickname. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 16:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Dozens of sources have described it as a widely used nickname. KlayCax (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • No Definitely not, since this is not endorsed by the relevant guidelines (see my comments above and in response to other threads I encountered while scrolling down here). Furthermore, as a militantly non-partisan voter fed up with the circus that is my country's politics, I find it really concerning to be summoned here on WP by Yapperbot to a discussion about amplifying far-left name-calling when it's settled that we don't amplify far-right name-calling. It speaks volumes about the state of the editing in this topic area. Until next time, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 21:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It’s come to my attention that I didn’t read the article before assuming its current content. However, I still don’t believe it merits inclusion. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 06:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I’m going to respectfully disagree with the “No” side, but it appears to me that they are shifting the goalposts to a nickname I have heard in common use, and are against it primarily due to ulterior motives of not liking ad hominems. -1ctinus📝🗨 22:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all. "Brandon" is in the article, which stands for "fuck Joe Biden". I think that's an ad hominem. That had much wider use than some protestors. O3000, Ret. (talk) 22:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment only if multiple reliable sources say/imply it is a common nickname. It can't just be from protestors but from the general public
Alexanderkowal (talk) 11:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • No. (Summoned by feedback request service). Inappropriate recentism. No evidence of broad usage outside of small protest groups. We’re not here to amplify fringe opinions. Revisit in a year and see if sources still use this. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 14:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would say 6 months to see whether how it’s included in election recaps Alexanderkowal (talk) 14:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • No Frankly, I would rather we not have nicknames for the current or previous president. We know the nicknames of George Washington that have survived the test of time. They are in history books. With recent presidents we are mostly guessing at what will be in future history books. An encyclopedia shouldn’t try to predict the future. If we are going to add nicknames for current and recent, we must take care to limit the names to those that will obviously last. This one is recent and not obvious at this point. Reliable sources are not using it in their own voice. Late night hosts aren’t using it in jokes. People aren’t chanting it in the stands at race tracks. The following policies and guidelines apply: WP:CRYSTALBALL WP:RS WP:RECENTISM WP:10YT WP:NOTNEWS WP:BLP WP:NODEADLINE O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Then we should remove all present nicknames for Joe Biden. For now, it merits inclusion. KlayCax (talk) 16:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There are editors, not just here but in general across topic areas, who would be fine with that and really with limiting coverage of the previous couple of years until time passes. I am still not totally sure whether I count myself among them. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 08:56, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging previous editors on this subject.
@1ctinus @Objective3000 @Pinoccappuccino @Guyermou
Here's a list of sources that the article currently uses:
Source List
  • Ingrid Jacques (February 7, 2024). "Biden tries to shake off 'Genocide Joe' epithet, but it could be the issue that sinks him". USA Today. USA Today.
  • Robert Tait (December 3, 2023). "How the White House's John Kirby is taking on the word 'genocide'". The Guardian. The Guardian. Challenged at a White House briefing to confront the term "Genocide Joe" by some protesters to described Biden, Kirby, who had previously ruled out "drawing red lines" for Israel's actions in Gaza, embarked on an animated exposition.
  • "Protester shouts 'Genocide Joe' at Biden campaign event". Washington Post. Washington Post. March 13, 2024.
  • Fritz Farrow, Libby Cathey, and Gabriella Abdul-Hakim (January 23, 2024). "Biden, at abortion rights campaign rally, repeatedly interrupted by pro-Palestinian protesters". ABC News. ABC News. They disrupted his major 2024 event with chants of "Genocide Joe."{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • Alex Tabet (February 14, 2024). "Biden's new TikTok account flooded with comments about Gaza". NBC News. NBC News. Since then, pro-Palestinian demonstrators have confronted Biden at a campaign stop in Michigan, chanting "Genocide Joe." And protesters calling for a cease-fire in Gaza have waited outside Secretary of State Antony Blinken's home to have their gripes heard.
  • John Bowden (January 28, 2024). "AOC and Pelosi clash over 'genocide Joe' label flung at Biden by Gaza protesters". Independent. Independent. Kristin Welker, NBC's moderator, noted to Ms Ocasio-Cortez during their interview that some activists on her party's progressive left flank have started using the derisive moniker "Genocide Joe" for the US president.
  • Alexander Panetta (November 4, 2023). "'No ceasefire, no votes': Biden gets stern warning from thousands of pro-Palestinian protesters". CBC. CBC. Near the White House in Washington, they held up signs like reading "Genocide Joe" and "Israel married the devil and had Biden.".
  • Brandon Drenon and Madeline Halpert (February 28, 2024). "Joe Biden wins Michigan primary despite sizeable Gaza protest vote". BBC News. BBC News. She did not "want to vote for Genocide Joe", she explained - alluding to allegations made against the Israeli military during its campaign in Gaza, which Israel strongly denies.
  • Edward-Isaac Dovere (January 9, 2024). "Biden can't escape protests over his backing for Israel, even in church". CNN. CNN.
  • Benjamin Oreskes (November 18, 2023). "California Democratic Party convention locked down amid anti-Israel protests". LA Times. LA Times. Protesters in Sacramento called President Biden "Genocide Joe," and said, "bombing hospitals and children is a crime."
  • Alex Gangitano (December 12, 2023). "From White House to West Coast, cease-fire protests follow Biden across US". Yahoo! News. Yahoo! News. Chants of "genocide Joe" and "cease-fire now" have followed President Biden at stops across the U.S. in recent weeks as protesters demanding a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war attempt to bring their message directly to the chief executive at home.
  • Ed Pilkington (January 31, 2024). "Pro-Palestinian protesters at Biden events cast shadow on his re-election effort". The Guardian. The Guardian. "Genocide Joe!", a protester holding up a Palestinian flag cried from the back of the hall. "How many kids have you killed in Gaza? How many women have you killed in Gaza?"
  • Charlotte Alter, Brian Bennett and Philip Elliott (March 21, 2024). "Biden's Campaign Is In Trouble. Will the Turnaround Plan Work?". Times. Times. On the street in front of the school, dozens of pro-Palestinian protesters, holding signs reading Cease-Fire Now, erupted in chants of "Genocide Joe."
  • Benedict Smith ; Tony Diver, and Chanel Zagon (March 29, 2024). "Pro-Palestine protesters disrupt Biden's star-studded 'historic' fundraiser". Telegraph. Telegraph. Hundreds of pro-Palestine activists gathered outside as the event got under way, where they called the US president a "war criminal" and labelled him "Genocide Joe".{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • Andrea Shalal (March 26, 2024). "More handshakes, fewer rallies as Biden 2024 campaign takes shape". Reuters. Reuters. In November a rabbi interrupted Biden at a fundraiser in Minnesota, urging him to call for a "ceasefire right now." In January, a Biden event in Virginia was repeatedly interrupted by shouts of "Ceasefire now" and "Genocide Joe."
  • Steve Inskeep (February 3, 2024). "Six takeaways from Biden's recent campaign speeches". NPR. NPR. In the four speeches we analyzed, Biden never mentioned his support for Israel in its war against Hamas, though protesters did. They repeatedly interrupted his speeches, shouting "Genocide Joe."
  • Joey Garrison and Swapna Venugopal Ramaswamy (March 29, 2024). "Gaza protesters dim the glitz and glamour of Biden's Obama-Clinton fundraiser in NYC". USA Today. USA Today. "The group issued a call to supporters ahead of the fundraiser, writing on X: "GENOCIDE JOE HAS GOT TO GO! Protesting genocide Joe, Barack Obama, and Bill Clinton outside their democratic fundraiser at Radio City Music Hall!"
    "Groups of protesters frequently shadow the president outside events, holding signs that read "Genocide Joe." The scene Thursday, though, was perhaps the most audacious demonstration yet.

HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 14:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Malformed RfC. You have mistitled the RfC as RS is just one part of the answer. We know RS have stated that the term has been used by some protestors. It doesn't matter if 100 sources repeat this. The question is whether it fits the statement at the top of the article: This list is intended to note those nicknames that were in common use at the time they were in office or shortly thereafter. Does common use mean just some protestors? If so, this would be a very long article as some protestors have used large numbers of names for each president, which have not stood the test of time. Where have reliable sources used this in their own voice or indicated that it is in common use among the populace? I've removed well over a dozen insulting nicknames used for Trump because they are documented in RS, but not in common use and will be forgotten. The same should be true for Biden or any other president. Keep in mind that this is an historical article going back nearly three centuries. It should not include every name shouted in anger. This is an encyclopedia. Patience, there is WP:NODEADLINE. O3000, Ret. (talk) 15:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Alright, I retitled the RfC. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 15:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes. The term is in common use and has already been acknowledged by Biden and Trump. It's already far more notable than "Dark Brandon" (which absolutely nobody uses outside social media) 5.151.181.34 (talk) 16:30, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well said! RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 02:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • No for now It might be too soon to include it per the criterion that the nicknames be "in common use at the time they were in office or shortly thereafter." Most of the sources presented above are from early 2024, so I don't believe the nickname has achieved widespread, common usage just yet. The exclusion can be revisited later if Biden gets re-elected and people are still calling him "Genocide Joe" during his second term. Some1 (talk) 23:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Donald Trump referred to as "Comrade Nation Builder" on state-sanctioned Chinese social media

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Donald Trump is referred to as "Comrade Nation Builder" on state-sanctioned Chinese social media. Per the above sources, this is an ongoing reference since his first presidency. GobsPint (talk) 19:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure he's called all manner of things on Chinese social media. O3000, Ret. (talk) 20:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your remark, while true, doesn't address why multiple WP:RS over several years do not justify the addition. Per your previous comments "I would rather we not have nicknames for the current or previous president." it seems that additions are impermissible at this time. GobsPint (talk) 13:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, RS does not mean DUE. The additions you are making are not DUE. Now, the Comrade Nation Builder stuff may be DUE on a Trump article. O3000, Ret. (talk) 15:48, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the Runet also has their own nicknames for people. I think an English-language focus for this specific article is justified. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 05:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


  1. ^ WERTIME, DAVID (June 4, 2020). "'American Carnage' Now Playing in China". Politico. Retrieved 8 June 2024.
  2. ^ Kelter, Frederik (Aug 25, 2023). "'Comrade Nation Builder': How China views Donald Trump's indictments in US". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 8 June 2024.
  3. ^ Loh, Matthew (Mar 31, 2023). "People on Chinese social media say Trump's indictment embarrassed the US and made China look so good, he should just join the Chinese Communist Party". Business Insider. Retrieved 8 June 2024.
  4. ^ Gan, Nectar (31 May 2024). "Trump is trending on Chinese social media, and many are rejoicing". CNN. Retrieved 8 June 2024.
  5. ^ "Trump's conviction sparks interest, schadenfreude in China". Asian News International. June 1, 2024. Retrieved 8 June 2024.

Donald "Tariff" Trump

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Donald "Tariff" Trump 2406:5A00:889E:BF01:F4B6:2AF1:7FE1:CA7F (talk) 22:25, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bad Link - Thomas Jefferson

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I'm new to Wiki so I can't edit the page but I followed a citation link that no longer exists. The following nickname used a YouTube video as a citation and the video no longer exists.

  • Long Tom

Joycekrom (talk) 18:42, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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