Talk:List of heads of former ruling families

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On 13 January 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Heads of former ruling families to List of heads of former ruling families. The result of the discussion was moved.

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inconsistency

if the page is named ,,Heads of former ruling families" not ,,List of current pretenders" it shouldn't be there Dalai Lama and one person should not occupy more than one seat e.g Rüdiger, Margrave of Meissen is a contender to the throne of Saxony and Poland:

State	Pretender	Since	House	Claim	Succession	Abolition	Ref(s)
Saxony Kingdom of Saxony Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth	Rüdiger	6 October 2012	Wettin	Great-grandson of King Friedrich August III (1904–1918).	Hereditary	1918\1815

should be on the list:

Juan José of Moctezuma de Tultengo, Ghalib II al-Qu'aiti, Mokanbabu Rajah (possibly the closest relative of Sri Rajadhi Rajasinha king of Kandy), Jason Brooke, Simon Egerton Scrope, Joachim, 8th Prince Murat, Ewuare II - his ancestors were kings of an independent state and he is not king of an independent Benin, and the descendants of the dynasty Keita live

7 people are called kings of Jerusalem

185.241.198.68 18:47, 10 November 2020

Iceland and the Commonwealth realms

Who would the pretender to the Icelandic throne and also is King Charles III the pretender to the former Commonwealth realms?86.162.44.160 (talk) 15:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For Iceland, christian x of denmark, and yes to the second question Jfrimpong945 (talk) 13:59, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't a pretender to the former commonwealth realms or Iceland: the republican constitutions of them were recognised by the monarch in London/Copenhagen, they don't maintain a claim89.240.176.190 (talk) 18:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And if the Danish monarchs kept claiming Iceland (which they don't), it was would be the current King, Frederik X, not his great grandfather Christian X.89.240.176.190 (talk) 18:15, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should Andrew Lee replace Yi Seok?

I'm not well educated on this topic, but: According to the Wikipedia page for Andrew Lew, Yi Seok "abdicated" in 2022. TansoShoshen (talk) 05:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mediatized houses

Should people from this Page be put here? 77.101.238.210 (talk) 14:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On grounds of WP:LENGTH, I think the split should be retained. DrKay (talk) 14:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yuan Jiarong

Don't see any reason why he shouldn't be included. TansoShoshen (talk) 17:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After doing a little research, it seems there is a person named Yuan Keding, also possibly named Jiarong (according to Reddit), son of Emperor Yuan Shikai, representing the Empire of China (1915–1916). Perhaps there is a claim regarding the Hongxian dynasty...? Cltjames (talk) 18:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability for guidance. DrKay (talk) 18:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does Chinese Wikipedia somehow have different requirements to RS and Verifiability? [1] TansoShoshen (talk) 23:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In addition according to Chinese Wikipedia it appears this person died in 1996 at 92. https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/袁克定 S302921 (talk) 18:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's weird how that information is under Yuan Keding, Yuan Jiarong's father. However, you make a good point that I got the wrong person. Yuan Jiyan is the head of the house, being the direct main-line descendant of Yuan Shikai. TansoShoshen (talk) 23:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"See Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability for guidance." Chinese wikipedia and Baidu are unreliable and cannot be used. DrKay (talk) 07:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did not use neither Chinese Wikipedia nor Baidu for sourcing, I went to the original sources cited by Chinese Wikipedia. TansoShoshen (talk) 19:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you have already been told[2][3] those sources do not support the claim. DrKay (talk) 20:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request

Plz add Sanyuktaraje Jaysinhrao Bhonsle for Akkalkot State since 1965. She is the eldest daughter of Jayasinhrao Fatehsinhrao III Raje Bhosle. Her heir and adopted son is Malojiraje III Sanyuktaraje Bhosle.

source : https://www.royalfamilyakkalkot.com/en/shrimant-rajkumari-sunitaraje-bhosle.html 77.101.238.210 (talk) 20:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually her son is the successor since it claims "After the demise of Shrimant Rajkumari Sanyuktaraje on 4th of May 2018, Malojiraje III was coronated as the Rajasaheb of Akkalkot, succeeding the Royal “Gadi” throne of Akkalkot." on the source linked. 77.101.238.210 (talk) 20:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We only rarely accept self-published sources. See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources for guidance. DrKay (talk) 20:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

House of the Greek pretender

Since Pavlos, the head of the former Greek royal family, was granted Greek citizenship with the surname De Grèce on 19 December 2024, this article has listed that name as the house. This action did change the fact that he and his family remain members of the House of Glücksburg. Greece is a republic, but this does not negate the fact that Pavlos de Grèce is a member of the House of Glücksburg.^[1] This continues to be indicated on his article, the Greek royal family article, and those of his siblings. My reversal of this edit was reverted so I bring the discussion here. Walco1 (talk) 00:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Montgomery-Massingberd, Hugh. "Burke’s Royal Families of the World: Volume I Europe & Latin America, 1977, pp. 67, 316, 327-328, 516. ISBN 0-85011-023-8

The source given in the article (from 2021) doesn't mention Pavlos but it does give his father's house as Oldenburg. The family itself says that Glücksburg was first used in Greece to advance the political agenda of the British propaganda machine ... to turn Greek public opinion against [Constantine I. ... this was not done without bias, and that is why the name is rejected by the Royal Family." We shouldn't be using a name that the family reject. We should probably find a source that is explicit about what the house name is now rather than Burke's from 48 years ago. DrKay (talk) 08:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

King Charles III would be King of Fiji - if the monarchy was restored there.

He can be regarded as the claimant to the position of 'Tui Viti' since the death of Queen Elizabeth II on 8 September 2022. - (161.29.124.142 (talk) 11:56, 6 February 2025 (UTC))[reply]

Shouldn't it be Epenisa Cakobau? Fiji had a united native monarchy prior to the British crown. TansoShoshen (talk) 07:21, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yi Jun

Korean Wikipedia includes another pretender to the head of the House of Yi: ko:이준_(1961년). I first found this while noticing unfree files on Commons. TansoShoshen (talk) 21:58, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[burkeI-1] Montgomery-Massingberd, Hugh. "Burke’s Royal Families of the World: Volume I Europe & Latin America, 1977, pp. 67, 316, 327-328, 516. ISBN 0-85011-023-8

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