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This is without doubt the most idiotic article in the increasingly idiotic Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.10.192.187 (talk) 15:11, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bro is fighting ghosts CyberAlexMM (talk) 03:20, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sony Spider-Man Universe films (that aren't Venom 1 & 2)

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I nominate the movies Morbius, Madame Web, Venom: The Last Dance and Kraven the Hunter for the list. All of these movies were universally panned by both audiences and critics (save for the ironic "It's Morbin' time" meme started by Rata) and with the exception of Last Dance were all financial failures. Media, Black and White and [1] have all gone on to call Madame Web alone the worst movie released in 2024, the worst superhero movie or even the worst movie period ever. Hawkatana (talk) 10:31, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

None of those links work, and the second one appears to be to a high school newspaper. Just because a movie didn't make money and was panned, doesn't mean in should be included on the list. It has to be referred to as terrible by many professional reviewers. Bkatcher (talk) 15:25, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that only Madame Web may be eligible due to its "victories" for Worst Picture, Worst Actress (Dakota Johnson), and Worst Screenplay at the Razzies. I think that people were already suggesting it here, but other editors wanted to wait for the Razzies to happen first. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 19:12, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm planning to wait a few weeks and see what the WP:SECONDARY sources say about Madame Web after they've had time to digest the news, but yes, I thought it was the top candidate even before this announcement. @Hawkatana, for what it's worth, the reviews for the other films you listed aren't as uniformly negative as those for Madame Web, and I think the numerical scores for Kraven and Venom were artificially low because it became fashionable for critics to bash Sony's Spider-Man Universe this past year. Carguychris (talk) 20:30, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Tbf, my approach was deliberately scattershot to see if even one of them got on. And it was a safe bet that Madame Web would be the one to get there. Hawkatana (talk) 16:24, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That seems reasonable, as I think that this list does a good job at avoiding recency bias. As for your Sonyverse comment, I think that it is true to a degree. The movies were REALLY bad, but I don't think that their association with Madame Web and Morbius were the main reason for their negative receptions. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 22:26, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Madame Web was discussed in a previous thread a few months ago, and I think there is sufficient sourcing for it to be included.LM2000 (talk) 11:21, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I guess that it can join, we just need a source that refers to it as "one of the worst movies ever made." I found a similar source for Megalopolis, but discussing whether Megalopolis belongs on this list or not is entirely different topic. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 14:55, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there are multiple sources calling Madame Web among the worst movies ever, or even the worst superhero movie. These are some reviews taken from Rotten Tomatoes:
  • Josh Korngut of Exclaim! called it "One of the worst films in recent memory" [2]
  • Hoai-Tran Bui of Inverse wrote "Madame Web is just about the worst movie you’d find at the bottom of that Walmart dollar bin" [3]
  • Fred Topel of United Press International defined it as "Bad in ways even debacles like Catwoman and Batman & Robin never broached." [4]
  • David Fear of Rolling Stone called it: "the Cats: The Movie of superhero movies. Not a single decision seems of sound mind. Not a single performance feels in sync with the material" [5]
  • John Rocha of The Outlaw Nation wrote: "Awful dialogue combined with dopey plot twists lead to genre's worst outing in decades." [6]
  • Brian Truitt of USA Today wrote: "Instead of being a breath of fresh air akin to the Tom Holland Spider-flicks, Madame Web is instead a reminder of the Worst Superhero Times" [7]
  • Mary Whitfill Roeloffs of Forbes stated that early reviews for the movie have slammed it as the "worst comic book movie" yet. [8]
  • Christie Cronan of Raising Whasians wrote: "Madame Web is 100% ABSOLUTELY the worst Sony/Marvel film ever made. Don't fall for the dark web of deceit. This is Fifty Shades of Messed-Up." [9]
  • David Gonzalez of The Cinematic Reel wrote: "not just one of the worst films within the genre but the bottom of the barrel in the Sony-verse." [10]
  • Fico Cangiano of CineXpress defined it: "One of the worst superhero/comic book films I've ever seen" [11]
  • Richard Roeper of Chicago Sun-Times called it: "one of the worst comic book movies I’ve ever seen." [12]
RickySarzus (talk) 09:57, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It meets the criteria, so I or another editor can add it. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 18:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Coming here from Talk:Madame Web (film) to say that Ricky is attempting to force the contents from this article into the film article, although much of the sources presented here seriously fail MOS:ACCLAIMED in the way they are being presented, especially when there is a Forbes article at the film article that compiles many of these to cover the worst comic book movie yet rationale, but not it being one of the worst films overall, which is what is being attempted at the film article. I just thought I ought to let this discussion know about this. Trailblazer101 (talk) 09:16, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the clarifications. If these sources are not reliable, I have no problem with the remotion of Madame Web section from this article. I'm very sorry for the inconvenience I have caused. RickySarzus (talk) 11:02, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, no worries. Most of them are reliable, but Rocha, Cronan, Gonzalez, and Cangiano do not appear to be as they are more independent reviewers with no editorial oversight. The rest are all reliable, but they just all essentially say the same thing, which is good for MOS:ACCLAIMED. The others did not meet that bar. Trailblazer101 (talk) 11:18, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to clean it up a bit to address your concerns; only the more reliable critics get mentioned and condensed the ones that repeated the same lines.LM2000 (talk) 12:16, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect! That looks much better. Thank you. Trailblazer101 (talk) 12:25, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comic book movies like BATMAN & ROBIN, CATWOMAN, ELEKTRA, and FANTASTIC FOUR (2015) have been called the worst comic book movies yet the latter two aren't even on here. Heck, the Wikipedia page for THE EMOJI MOVIE referred to it as one of the worst animated movies ever made yet that's not on here and I made sure of that. Cody Fearless-Lee (talk) 16:32, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Everything added to Wikipedia comes as a case-by-case basis. High-quality reliable sources are necessary to add any titles to this list, per MOS:ACCLAIMED. Kindly provide sources that reflect your statements to see if these titles can also be added to this list. It is not warranted to remove an entire well-sourced section just because you don't like that something else is not added. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:34, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This comment seems to be about the inclusion of Madame Web on this page. The criterion for inclusion is that there are multiple reliable sources saying that a film is among the worst ever made. This seems to be met by the sources currently used for the Madame Web section. An WP:OTHERSTUFF argument that there are other bad movies is not relevant. Of the ones you mentioned, Batman & Robin and Catwoman are already in the list, so I don't see their relevance. Elektra has been discussed previously, but no sources were provided (1). Fantastic Four was discussed previously but consensus was not reached (1). The Emoji Movie has been discussed extensively, at least 13 times, but in most cases no sources were provided, and again consensus has not been reached. (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13)
If you feel that Elektra, Fantastic Four and/or The Emoji Movie do meet the criterion for inclusion, you are welcome to propose their inclusion, or add them yourself if you have adequate sourcing. But whether or not these movies are added has no bearing on whether Madame Web belongs here. That depends solely on the sources that call it one of the worst movies of all time. CodeTalker (talk) 17:10, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the thing is that I actually like THE EMOJI MOVIE and MADAME WEB. That's why I make sure those two movies aren't on here. Cody Fearless-Lee (talk) 17:30, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your personal opinion holds no baring on Wikipedia content. We go off of what reliable sources state, not someone's WP:POV. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Emoji Movie is on some of the non-English versions of this list with sources, but I think that Emoji Movie was denied here on many occasions despite its decent Razzies performance and sources. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 22:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Borderlands and The Electric State

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These two films are the most "notorious" bad films when it comes to recent films. Borderlands was a disappointment to the Borderlands franchise and The Electric State was just "soulless".
Slimyboi500 (talk) 17:22, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Citations, please Espngeek (talk) 21:18, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree Cody Fearless-Lee (talk) 16:30, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I proposed Borderlands a few months ago, but it was rejected due to no reliable sources explicitly referring to it as one of the worst movies ever made. Many sources called it the worst video game movie ever made and negatively compared it to Super Mario Bros. 1993, but that was not enough.
As for The Electric State, it is FAR too early in my opinion. Maybe we can wait until the 2026 Razzies before discussing it again, but I think that Snow White 2025 and A Minecraft Movie have better chances of being the 2025 entry for this list. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 22:04, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could the emoji movie be on this

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I mean it is quite bad. Domogames1 (talk) 00:00, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It has been discussed several times without consensus to include. Search the archives. Carguychris (talk) 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
how do you search the archives? Domogames1 (talk) 20:43, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Type "emoji movie" in the space next to "Search archives" at the top of this page, then press Search. Carguychris (talk) 21:00, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
oh Domogames1 (talk) 21:59, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2025

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2600:1700:7400:CCE0:7059:B6CB:CCEC:9BA0 (talk) 03:57, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you put snow white 2025 movie on this list and it got a 1.6 on imdb and racheal ziegler ruined it

information Note: IMDB is not a reliable source for WP articles, and "Racheal Ziegler ruined it" isn't a reason. Therefore I am answering this request, and saying "Not done for now". Valorrr (talk) 18:48, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like we need to put a "Wait until the end of the year/awards season to discuss current films" disclaimer at the top of this page in order to avoid recency bias. Also, websites like IMDB and Letterboxed are entirely user-generated and heavily suspectable to brigading. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 17:17, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also want to add that IMDB recently issued an "unusual activity" disclaimer on Show White's IMDB page, this is 100% review bombing from the controversies and culture war. The novie is terrible and is easily the worst live-action Disney legacy remake, but there is no way that it is worse than The Room (3.6/10) or Meet the Spartans (2.8/10).
Snow White (2025) - Ratings - IMDb
Disney's Snow White Gets IMDb Disclaimer After A Wave Of 1-Star Reviews Makes Overall Rating Plummet Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 22:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 April 2025

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List of films considered the worst → List of films voted the worst – Consistent with List of films voted the best. Interstellarity (talk) 00:36, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above. Not all of these entries are from polls, but frequent discussion among reliable sources, so the proposed target does not accurately reflect the scope of this list. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:42, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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