Talk:List of dignitaries at the funeral of Pope Francis

Malta participation missing on the map

Can Malta's participation be included in the map? It is missing Benzekre (talk) 17:56, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

 Done Mr. Lechkar (talk) 21:18, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Conjugal Dictatorship

Is it really appropriate to bundle in President's wives into heads of state? They're not exactly Rosario Murillo to begin with. Borgenland (talk) 08:01, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps first ladies and PM wives (I'm not talking about monarchies) should have a subsection of their own or be added to “Others officials”. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:05, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

for purposes of consistency, my plans were to format the article based on both the lists for Elizabeth II's funeral and Charles III's coronation, which also included the wives of leaders (including UK prime ministers) in their respective sections Mr. Lechkar (talk) 13:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

I think if the spouses are accompanying the heads of state it is fine to include them. That is relevant information people might want. Arg Matey (talk) 14:20, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Flags throughout

This article used to have the country flag for each person. Someone removed the flags for each country after the 1st instance. I would like to propose we add them back. It makes it much more scalable, as one can more easily tell the country without having to look for the name at the end of the entry. ~~ Arg Matey (talk) 14:18, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Patriarch Bartholomew attending the Pope's funeral

Can someone add Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople Patriarchate to funeral attendee list of religious leaders? He has confirmed he will attend the funeral.

https://orthodoxtimes.com/ecumenical-patriarch-departs-for-rome-to-attend-funeral-of-pope-francis/ 2405:4803:C7BB:EF40:250D:AA50:BE60:65F4 (talk) 15:08, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

 Done _-_Alsor (talk) 17:38, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

We must update the map

At least by 10 AM of April 26 the map must be updated as MANY other nations in the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa were added.

This is just a reminder, thanks you! VitoxxMass (talk) 23:08, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Emmanuel Macron should be also put in the monarch category

He is the French president but also the co-prince of Andorra. So he shoubd be alongside is counterpart Joan Enric Vives i Sicília 2.11.191.14 (talk) 01:54, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

He took his place according to his French role, not the Andorran one, therefore he was there in the person of President of France. The alternative would be to list him twice, but this is a list of people, not of roles. By the same token, William of Wales is listed once, not repeated for each of the commonwealth realms. Kevin McE (talk) 09:28, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Royal families

@Omnis Scientia: neither Joan Enric Vives i Sicília nor John T. Dunlap are "Members of reigning royal families" as they are ecclesiastical nobility, including them opens a can of worms i feel like Braganza (talk) 12:34, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

@Braganza I think you tagged the wrong person. i didnt add them there. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:39, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

@Omnis Scientia you did accidentally [1]

i am gonna fix it again Braganza (talk) 12:41, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

oh nevermind, it was already fixed Braganza (talk) 12:42, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

@Braganza I only edited Victoria Starmer but there was a edit conflict in the middle of my doing so. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:43, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

happens me too Braganza (talk) 12:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Yep, I see it now. Its a bit annoying when it happens. I only wanted to fix the comma between the British PM and his wife because it read like "Prime Minister of the UK and his wife" which felt a bit odd but the edit conflict happened and... yeah. And thank you as well, @Mr. Lechkar, for fixing that. Not my intention at all to do so! Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:17, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

About Cardinal Giorgio Marengo

Cardinal Giorgio Marengo, Apostolic Prefect of Ulaanbaatar, (represents the members of the Catholic Church in the countries of the Conference of Catholic Bishops of Central Asia , such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Afghanistan and Mongolia).

So shouldn't these nations also be added in the represented ones? As this is an official delegation and represents the Catholics of these nations? For example the article suggests that this delegation was sponsored by Kazakhstan at the very least as adelgation defacto.

I'll leave that up to you, community VitoxxMass (talk) 08:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Names or roles?

Why are members of royal families listed by their positions rather than their names? A strange inconsistency, the more so when there are non-hereditary monarchs listed by name in the same section. Kevin McE (talk) 09:32, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

agree, considering the ambassador of Hungary to the Holy See is a Habsburg, he would be listed as "Archduke of Austria" by that logic Braganza (talk) 12:35, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Format of the article

I've taken a look at List of dignitaries at the funeral of Pope John Paul II and I think the format with delegations comprising HoS, HoG and other officials divided by country (and sorted alphabetically) is clearer and more functional to a long list like this. Should the page be changed accordingly in the (near) future? Sacesss (talk) 15:37, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Whatever is considered and agreed, what doesn't make sense is that every time I open the article a new format appears... _-_Alsor (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Notability indications?

Is it a good indication of notability to have been an attendant at the funeral? Should every person listed here probably have an article? ★Trekker (talk) 00:49, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Governors-General as heads of state

Although GGs are formally representatives of the Sovereign, they act and are treated on the international stage (and protocol), in every way, as heads of their respective states. For example, they receive state visits and they pay visits to foreign countries on the highest state level, they accredit and receive accreditations of ambassadors etc. etc. All of this are acts of a head of state. I think they should be included in the first section of the list. Kowalmistrz (talk) 08:36, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

This might be true, but in fact some of these realms (e.g. New Zealand) also explicitly define the monarch as the head of state in their constitution, whereas in the remainder of the realms that don't, the monarch's legal status is debated to some extent (see Australian head of state dispute). However, for all intents and purposes the GGs are essentially performing these functions on account of being permanent viceregal representatives of the Crown, due to the actual head of state (the British monarch) being virtually always non-resident and acting as the UK's sovereign, and very rarely as the monarch of another of their realms (except for during a royal tour, for instance). Mr. Lechkar (talk) 00:29, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

On international level, in formal relations between countries the GGs act and are treated as their respective countries' heads of state. This is clearly manifested in what they are doing performing their duties which are reserved for heads of state only, such as: receiving foreign diplomats, accepting their letters of credence and recall, sometimes (for example Australia and Canada) issuing those letters for their own representatives abroad solely in their name, not in the name of the Sovereign; paying and receiving state visits; issuing formal correspondence to other heads of state such as congratulatory messages, condolences etc. Kowalmistrz (talk) 12:03, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

IOC

Nobody from IOC? Only the heads of state members of the IOC such as Albert II ? Hektor (talk) 17:52, 28 April 2025 (UTC)