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Best Picture

Why is "Kiss of the Spider Woman" on the table but "Call Me By Your Name" is in a note? Danoniinho (talk) 21:02, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Changes on the page

Hello. I was the creator of this page, and I don't agree with some changes made. Movies like Kiss of the Spider Woman or Raoni are Brazilian, are set in Brazil, have a largely Brazilian cast and crew. So they must be placed with other pictures, even if no one Brazilian was nominated. I can understand the exclusion of Call me by your name, but that's not the case for the others.. O Beijo da Mulher Aranha and Raoni are Brazilian pictures and were viewed as such by Brazilian audiences in Brazilian movie theatres. Zemariat (talk) 12:49, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Zemariat!

This is a list of Brazilian Academy Award winners and nominees. I can understand it, but in neither of this two films there were Brazilian people nominated.

However, these films appear in the "By production" section, where it is explained that none of the nominees were Brazilian. I think that films with Brazilian co-productions in which no nominee was Brazilian fit perfectly in the "By Production" section.

Leaving films in which no Brazilians were nominated in the first section would leave the list very confusing and disorganized. Danoniinho (talk) 16:40, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Danoninho,

With all due respect, I disagree with you. If you notice, the Academy was quite keen on not recognizing Brazilian producers and directors in some filmes they nominated. Basically only US and europeans got the nominations, and that did not happen only to Brazil.

Furthermore, the "by production" section you mentioned is, itself, very confusing. For example, it stills recognizes Luciana Arrighi as Brazilian winner, but although she was born in RIo de Janeiro, her father was an Italian diplomat serving his country. She was registered Italian and two years after she left the country - in other words, she has no connections to Brazil besides the fact of being delivered on it. I trully think titles like Beijo da Mulher Aranha, Raoni and Lixo Extraordinário deserve to be among the Brasilian nominees, even when the Academy itself did not recognized it. Imagine the fllowing scenario: if no Brazilian is chosen to be nominated as a producer of Ainda Estou Aqui (it can happen... is a co-production with France) so Brazil won't have any Best Picture nomination? Zemariat (talk) 18:16, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think that adding 'Kiss of the Spider Woman' as a nominee for best film leads to also adding all the nominations for Call Me By Your Name to the 'by category' section, which would be confusing, for example, praising the nomination of American Timothée Chalamet for best actor. The same goes for 'Black Orpheus', which was not a Brazilian victory.

Regarding the case of Luciana Arrighi, I had concearns omitting her from the page and being accused of deleting information from the article. In any case, the right thing would have been for her to not be on the list or, at least, to appear somewhere else as a 'curiosity' or in a note. That's why I left her in the 'by production' section and I would later create a topic on this discussion page about this matter.

And I also understand the issue of the nominations for 'I'm Still Here', but unlike the other productions, the overwhelming majority of the producers are Brazilian, which gives more emphasis to it being a truly Brazilian film.

I tried to make the list to match the article's name: a list of Brazilian winners and Brazilian nominees. Danoniinho (talk) 23:51, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that a Brazilian filme is nominated for Best Picture, even if tha many Brazilian producers were not, doesn't bring any confusion, because the nomination is for the oeuvre, not for the person. It also shows the bias that exists (or at least existed) towards non US or european artists and technicians. Unlike Call me by your name (which I also placed among Brazilian movies for the reason explained above), O Beijo da Mulher Aranha is, undoubtely, a truly (using your words) Brazilian movie, only spoken in english - see the cast, the production, the crew. It is a coproduction, nothing more, nothing less, and should be recognized as such. The same is valid for Raoni and Lixo Extraordinário (which, by the way, are spoken in Brazilian languages, both portuguese and indigenous). Placing such titles in a generic list by the end of the article, with all due respect, seems preposterous. The first Latin American Movie nominated for a Best Picture is Brazilian and is mentioned way down there, alongside an italian artist that, besides the fact that she was delivered in Rio de Janeiro, has no connection whatsoever with Brazil. But I wont go further with this discussion, you clearly have a power that I don't. I just want to state my personal disappointment with all the research I did to create this page and structure it being disregarded. Sincerely, José. Zemariat (talk) 13:34, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have no more power than any other Wikipedia user. I simply made changes that, based on the criteria and research I did, I thought were more appropriate for the page. And I want to make it clear that I respect your opinion, I just disagree. The first changes I made on this subject were to the Portuguese Wikipedia article, and I stated my reasons and explained my changes on the Portuguese discussion page. I then replicated what I did for the English Wikipedia article. I wish there were other users on these discussion pages to give other suggestions, opinions and points of view to improve the article, but unfortunately no other user has spoken out. This is bad because it reduces the quality of the article. Danoniinho (talk) 16:19, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some sources that I used to make the adjustments. From both Brazilian national and international press.

[1] - Brazil is celebrating its first ever Oscar Best Picture nomination in Portuguese with Walter Salles's drama, 'I'm Still Here.' (BBC)

[2] - This is the first time a Brazilian movie has been nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars (Screen Rant)

[3] - For the first time in history, Brazilian cinema has earned an Oscar nomination for Best Picture. (Presidência da República - Brasil)

[4] - ‘I’m Still Here’ makes history as first Brazilian film nominated for Best Picture at 2025 Oscars (The Express Tribune)

[5] - Ainda estou aqui' é 1º brasileiro indicado a Melhor Filme.'O beijo da mulher aranha' concorreu, mas era falado em inglês e não representou Brasil. (G1)

[6] - Ainda Estou Aqui é primeiro longa brasileiro indicado a Melhor Filme. Beijo da Mulher Aranha foi indicado em 1986, mas era co-produção com Estados Unidos (Omelete)

[7] - 'Ainda Estou Aqui' é primeiro brasileiro indicado ao maior prêmio do Oscar. País já havia aparecido antes na categoria como coprodutor de 'O Beijo da Mulher-Aranha' e 'Me Chame pelo seu Nome' (Folha de S.Paulo)

[8] - Pela primeira vez na história do Oscar, um filme brasileiro foi indicado à categoria de melhor filme. (O Globo)

[9] - Oscar 2025: Ainda Estou Aqui é o primeiro filme brasileiro indicado em Melhor Filme (Observatório do Cinema)

[10] - 'Ainda Estou Aqui' faz história no Oscar como primeira produção brasileira indicada a Melhor Filme (Exame) Danoniinho (talk) 14:44, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]