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4batz

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To be clear, when I removed the 4batz entry, it's not that I didn't see the coverage that Mburrell mentioned in their latest edit, but that I don't believe that would be enough to call notability. It's almost definitely not enough to build an article that is greater than a stub, or at least not one that wouldn't be overloaded with background info to the point of risking UNDUE. If I saw such an article, I would sooner propose a merger to the artist's page. And if that's the standard we're using then I don't see why this should be listed, at least not at this point. If it gets any critical response or significant charting then it can be listed, but I don't see how it qualifies just yet. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A year or two back, there was a discussion about what amount of coverage qualified for significant coverage as required by this lists rules for notability. I thought significant coverage was five or more articles from independent reliable sources, but there was a strong push that significant coverage was three or more articles from such sources and I believe that amount carried the day for the consideration of significant coverage. There is certainly no requirement that an album or EP or mixtape have a article at the time of listing. Once I saw three sources of independent reliable sources, from well-recognized sources, I found that sufficient coverage to support the listing. I agree that at this time I would not consider writing an article for the mixtape. To be clear, I am not a fan of 4batz or pushing an agenda. I am just trying to apply the rules consistenly. Mburrell (talk) 17:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would've never suspected you of pushing or even having an agenda, and you've never given me any reason to believe otherwise of you. And for whatever it's worth, I have no opinion of the artist either and am also approaching this just from the rules. In this case, I see what you're saying, and that perhaps we've had a different approach to how we're handling these lists and that I didn't realize that difference until now. For me, I think it makes sense to have a standard like this three sources rule you mention for upcoming albums, since they mostly can't/won't meet NALBUM's criteria before they're released, but I had been operating under the assumption that only applied to upcoming albums. If our ultimate requirement for listing is notability, then surely a released album that isn't notable enough for its own article (or at least a section of sufficient size in another article) shouldn't be listed here. I don't think you've undone any of my removals of non-notable albums on these lists, which have all been based on that standard, before now, so I guess I just figured we were running things with the same mindset. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My preference is to let the list include albums/mixtapes/EPs that are borderline for a period of time to see if notability is developed over time. DepressedPer started cleaning up some of the earlier lists, and I have followed suit, and I decided that my preference is to let lists be for about four or five years to see what happens to the albums/mixtapes/EPs, then go through the older lists and update the genres, the labels, move albums to the earliest listed release date, remove citations for self-notable albums, and purge non-notable albums. So I guess the difference between our approaches is that you are willing to let unreleased albums be borderline, and I want to give borderline albums a few years to ferment first. Either approach can work, and I see where you are coming from. I will abide by your approach for 4batz, if you want to go ahead and purge it now. Mburrell (talk) 23:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My figuring is that they can always be readded later. The 4batz release might chart really well for all I know, or appear on a handful of year-end lists. But for most albums, I find that most of the coverage they get comes in the week or two before release and the week or two after, so if there aren't any reviews when the album's been out this long then it's not a great sign. Same reason why I removed the Greg Saunier entry and redirected my own article for it. Having had another look just now, it seems the 4batz situation hasn't changed since my previous removal, so I will take you up on your offer and remove it again, but again, with acknowledgement that it could come back at any time (and I hope it does so the list can be more complete). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And after all that, I not only got to add it back, but I even made the article for it. It's still a lot more slim than I was expecting given the hype around the artist, but I think it's safely self-notable as is. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ashe Comeback Album: Willson

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Noticed it’s not on the Sept. 6th schedule, it’s listed on her Wikipedia page but doesn’t have a link of its own yet 2605:8D80:462:85E6:986:A484:6854:3C28 (talk) 14:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be much reliable coverage of the album at this time (I see Melodic Magazine and The Honey Pop, neither definitely unreliable but both unconfirmed; hard to add an entry with zero known reliable sources covering the release). If better sources come up, please message here again (or add it yourself if you can manage) and we'll see if its outlook is better. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brat remix album

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Should the "Brat" remix album be included in the list? Sure it's notable, but does it meet the criteria for being an original work if it's a remix album of a previous release? 46.112.97.34 (talk) 20:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We've listed remix albums before without issue; this one should be no different. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 02:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Florence + The Machine Album

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A digital release of Florence + The Machines Live "Symphony of Lungs" is coming out October 25 digitally.


May not count because it is a Live version of an existing album. 199.200.82.106 (talk) 18:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No reason why it wouldn't be eligible. I will add it now. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dewolff muscle shoals

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Dewolff, muscle shoals released 7 December 2024 2001:1C05:2716:B900:A47C:CE5:9DB:BF84 (talk) 08:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done there are no band or album articles under either Dewolff or Muscle Shoals (unclear which is which). Either an artist or album article is required in order to be listed. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 09:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]