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Plaintiff or defendant?

@Tuckerlieberman: Here, you added text about some lawsuit related to the January 6 Capitol storming attempt, under the subheading Lawsuits around the January 6, 2021, attack. This would have been quite logical, if this had been the main heading. However, it isn't, so you added the stuff under the general section heading Trump as plaintiff. Was this on purpose, or by mistake?

Now, if it was on purpose: In the cases themselves, Trump definitely would be a defendant, not a plaintiff. However, it is true that in the attempt to stop this suit Trump was "the appellant", not "the appelee". In your opinion, does this turn Trump to "the plaintiff as far as the appeal is considered?" In that case, there may be more text about various appeals which should be moved from the Trump as defendant to the plaintiff section. Else, IMHO, your addition should be moved down to the defendant section; perhaps to the Lawsuits around 2020 election fraud claims subsection, or to a new one? JoergenB (talk) 14:10, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! @JoergenB Thanks for noticing that. Yes, it was probably just my error. I don't even remember when I made this edit. Indeed I was probably focused on the subheading "Lawsuits around Trump's financial and tax information" and somehow overlooked the bigger "Trump as plaintiff" heading.

It seems you've put thought into it already, so please go ahead and rearrange or correct it as you see fit. Thanks! Sorry for my error. Tuckerlieberman (talk) 17:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK@Tuckerlieberman; I moved it to the Lawsuits around 2020 election fraud claims subsection. JoergenB (talk) 17:53, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JoergenB Thanks for fixing it. Tuckerlieberman (talk) 18:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Word "around" in section titles is not ideal?

What's up with the use of "around" in the section titles? Such as Lawsuits around the United States Census? That sounds very unnatural, and may confuse lots of readers (especially non-native speakers of English). Better would be something like:

Lawsuits involving the United States Census
Lawsuits concerning the United States Census
Lawsuits pertaining to the United States Census
Lawsuits related to United States Census

or something like that.

Any objections tot changing the word "around" to "concerning" in the section titles? Noleander (talk) 13:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Civil vs criminal cases

It is not clear if this article is supposed to include criminal cases or not. The word "lawsuits" is used a lot, indicating that the article maybe is limited civil cases. But the title of the article is "legal affairs" suggesting both criminal & civil. Complicating matters: there are quite a few legal actions/pladings/claims that are handled by civil courts, but are related to criminal matters.

Also: is the article supposed to be limited to legal matters that were _initiated_ when Trump was president? And excludes those initiated after he left the office?

Question: should the intro of this article make it clear that criminal legal matters are also within the scope of this article? Of course, 99% of the text related to the criminal cases would be located in other, existing articles, but this article could contain links. Noleander (talk) 02:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should this article only address lawsuits in Trump's first administration, with a separate article for the second aministration?

Right now, this article has a small section focusing on lawsuits involving Trump during his second presidency. There's also a newish article Court cases related to Donald Trump's second presidential term that's quite incomplete. A key question is whether to merge the latter into this article (in which case this article will probably grow quite large, as there are already over 100 lawsuits filed (involving DOGE, mass layoffs, etc.) or whether to move the content about the second presidency to the other article, and then move this article to a new name that makes it clear that it's only about his first term. If editors prefer the latter, then we should think about how to name the pair of articles re: lawsuits in his first vs. second presidencies. I've started a discussion about this at the other article's talk page, and invite anyone who's interested to join that discussion. FactOrOpinion (talk) 22:39, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]