Talk:Jingtai Emperor

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GA Review

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Nominator: Min968 (talk · contribs) 03:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 18:03, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.

Copy changes

Lead

• He was overthrown in a palace coup led by Emperor Yingzong in February 1457, and died a month later. WP:CINS: the two halves of the sentence have the same subject ("He"), so no comma should be used.
• In response, the court eventually elevated the emperor's brother, Zhu Qiyu, who had taken charge of government affairs during the campaign, to the throne A lot of commas. Try In response, the court eventually elevated the emperor's brother, Zhu Qiyu—who had taken charge of government affairs during the campaign—to the throne
• He was one of two Ming emperors who was not buried in either the Ming tombs in Beijing or the Xiaoling Mausoleum in Nanjing. There is no mention of this in the body of the article. It could stay in the lead, likely merged into the third lead paragraph, if we had a reference specifically for it.
  • @Sammi Brie: All done. Min968 (talk) 00:29, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Body

• He was naturally shy, weak, and indecisive, and had no desire for power. Remove comma
  • Done. Goodrich & Fang (1976), p. 294 [1]
• Emperor Yingzong made the decision to personally lead the campaign against the Mongols, with the support of his trusted advisor Wang Zhen and a number of generals and officials. Requires a citation.
  • Done. Heer (1986), p. 16. [2]
• Prince Consort Commander Jiao Jing (焦敬), represented the imperial family. Remove unneeded comma
  • Done. Heer (1986), p. 17. [3]
• temporary and on 6 September, she named try temporary and, on 6 September, named
  • Done. Heer (1986), p. 21. [4]
• I'll be curious to see if some of the statements in here check out to the available sourcing.
• Jin Ying held significant influence in the 1430s, but eventually lost power to Wang Zhen. Remove comma (CINS)
  • Done.
• During the Jingtai Emperor's reign, he was appointed as head of the Directorate of Ceremonial, but was later imprisoned in 1450 for backing the return of Emperor Yingzong.
  • Remove comma after Ceremonial
    • Done.
  • Is that title correct?
    • Director of Ceremonial (司禮監太監)
• which is now referred to as Jingtai-lan (景泰藍; meaning 'blue [color of the era] Jingtai') in Chinese. Requires a citation.
  • Done.
• his current successor Could you explain this one?
  • Done.

Sourcing and spot checks

I'd like to see the pages indicated in refs 4, 9, 13, 21, 23 for spot check.

• 4: [5] [6] [7]
• 9: [8]
• 13: [9]
• 21: [10]
• 23: [11]

@Min968: You will need to provide assistance with the spot check, as the sources are all offline. You can email me images for verification or provide other proof. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 18:03, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie Done. Min968 (talk) 01:17, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

@Min968 Almost clean. Only issue is that I don't see any mention of forcible suppression in 1452–53, just that someone was sent there. Other than justifying that or tweaking that text, I'm ready to pass. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 02:47, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie Done. Min968 (talk) 03:27, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Images

The tiny image is probably PD. I just wish it was available in higher quality, having originally been uploaded many years ago to zhwiki.

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 19:46, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that the Jingtai Emperor was rumored to have been strangled to death by a eunuch?

• Source: Goodrich, L. Carington; Fang, Chaoying (1976). Dictionary of Ming Biography, 1368-1644. New York: Columbia University Press. p. 297. ISBN 0-231-03801-1.

• Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by Min968 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Min968 (talk) 05:55, 2 February 2025 (UTC).

• The article is a recent GA and, unsurprisingly, meets all of DYK's article requirements. The hook needs some tweaking though. The article states that one 15th-century source claims that the emperor was strangled by a eunuch. The hook suggests that this is widely accepted as true. Surtsicna (talk) 17:05, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
  • @Surtsicna: Fixed. Min968 (talk) 13:47, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

That works better, yes. I think the hook would be punchier if it were shorter, without the "after being deposed in a palace coup" part. What do you think, Min968? Surtsicna (talk) 14:49, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

@Surtsicna: Done. Min968 (talk) 14:57, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Great. Off we go then! Surtsicna (talk) 15:08, 8 February 2025 (UTC)