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Nationality?

I don't think this [1] is justified. But from what I gather her could have been kurdish/turkish if born in the same place today? William M. Connolley (talk) 18:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Is he an Arab? I doubt it. According to local sources where he live, he was born in the town of the Jezira (modern Cizre in the Turkish Kurdistan). Local people belive that he is a Kurd and member of Botan tribes. Is there any reliable sources to prove this claim? As far as I know, there is not a written source on Al Jazari`s nationality. it is legitimate to ask why any kind of written sources are considered more reliable than the oral sources?. By the way, the town Jezire (Cizre) is a Kurdish town .Murat

Ethnicity is written as Kurdish and source is just a blog!? That blog does not make references. There is no source that mentions his nationality. These "Kurdish" reference should be removed.81.214.48.202 (talk) 07:10, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

He was an Arab from Dyar Baker which is originally an Arab city to banu baker bin shayban in the north of Syria (before the occupation of Turkey) And his name was arab and he wrote his books in Arabic [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] الرشيد (talk) 16:24, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Dyarbakir (amed) has never been an arabic city, the original name was not dyarbakir but amed Zageos21 (talk) 10:27, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Hayes, John Richard, 1983. The Genius of Arab Civilization:Source of Renaissance. 2nd edition. p. 205. MIT Press. Archived 2017-11-12 at the Wayback Machine
  2. ^ Ceccarelli, Marco, 2007. Distinguished Figures in Mechanism and Machine Science: Their Contributions and Legacies. Vol. 1. P6. Springer. Archived 2017-11-12 at the Wayback Machine
  3. ^ Marco Ceccarelli, 2007 Distinguished Figures in Mechanism and Machine Science: Their Contributions and Legacies. Part.2. Archived 2017-11-12 at the Wayback Machine
  4. ^ Dr. Norman SMITH, 1974 The Arabian Legacy.New Scientist, April 4, 1974 ISSN 0262-4079. Archived 2017-11-12 at the Wayback Machine
  5. ^ The Cambridge History of Egypt, 1998 Historiography of the Ayyubid and Mamluk epochs Vol.1. Cambridge University Press. Archived 2017-11-12 at the Wayback Machine
  6. ^ Muḥammad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir, 850 Kitáb Al-Hiyal كتاب الحيل.Traslated and annotated by Donald R. Hill, 1978 Archived 2018-01-20 at the Wayback Machine
  7. ^ Li Guo, 1998 Early Mamluk Syrian Historiography. Vol.1. Archived 2013-10-06 at the Wayback Machine
  8. ^ Biographical Dictionary of the History of Technology Al-Jazari, Ibn Al-Razzaz Archived 2013-12-05 at the Wayback Machine
  9. ^ Aleksandr D. Knyž, 1999 Ibn ʻArabi in the Later Islamic Tradition: The Making of a Polemical Image in Medieval Islam. SUNY Press. Archived 2013-12-05 at the Wayback Machine

He was Turk

Please modify the article. He was definitly Turk and not Arab. Only his name is Arabic and nothing else. That time all the region was Turk and Tukmen. He is from Turkey and it is logic that we name him Turk and not Arab. Freedomist (talk) 20:45, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

this fight about how to claim a kurdish person is amazing. 185.238.219.118 (talk) 14:22, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Are you stupid? He was an Arab from the Arab tribe of [[Banu Shayban]--2003:43:4F4C:2446:A4D3:117D:5005:3804 (talk) 14:21, 11 September 2015 (UTC)]

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Qutoe from recent article:

7 The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear motion and is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the most important mechanical inventions in the history of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation. His 1206 Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices shows he also invented or refined the use of valves and pistons, devised some of the first mechanical clocks driven by water and weights, and was the father of robotics. Among his 50 other inventions was the combination lock.

Paul Vallely, "How Islamic inventors changed the world" 11 March 2006[2] --Ben Houston 15:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Why does religious affliction seem to be important here when it is seldom, or never mentioned with scientists/inventors from other cultures?

Good point. We don't say "Christian" or "Jewish" when describing an inventor from that same period, nor "Buddhist", etc. In addition, the mention of his religion raises another important point. If religion is important, shouldn't the reason for the Near East not developing these devices be mentioned: the inventions were declared "haram" and banned for religious reasons, and their promoters banished? Student7 02:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. Even more so, his religious affliction is likely speculation, he was just from a region/city where the dominant religion was Islam, so likely he practised that too. Claiming him for the glory of whatever religion or ethnic group is just wrong. Yaj for the men with ten toes! —Preceding unsigned comment added by JiB72 (talk • contribs) 19:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

He was an Arab look here:[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] الرشيد (talk) 16:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

He was Kurdish not Turk nor Arab. That region ever never been under control of Turks or Turkish culture until Turkish Republic early 1920. Ardilkirmizisac (talk) 08:37, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Hayes, John Richard, 1983. The Genius of Arab Civilization:Source of Renaissance. 2nd edition. p. 205. MIT Press. Archived 2017-11-12 at the Wayback Machine
  2. ^ Ceccarelli, Marco, 2007. Distinguished Figures in Mechanism and Machine Science: Their Contributions and Legacies. Vol. 1. P6. Springer. Archived 2017-11-12 at the Wayback Machine
  3. ^ Marco Ceccarelli, 2007 Distinguished Figures in Mechanism and Machine Science: Their Contributions and Legacies. Part.2. Archived 2017-11-12 at the Wayback Machine
  4. ^ Dr. Norman SMITH, 1974 The Arabian Legacy.New Scientist, April 4, 1974 ISSN 0262-4079. Archived 2017-11-12 at the Wayback Machine
  5. ^ The Cambridge History of Egypt, 1998 Historiography of the Ayyubid and Mamluk epochs Vol.1. Cambridge University Press. Archived 2017-11-12 at the Wayback Machine
  6. ^ Muḥammad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir, 850 Kitáb Al-Hiyal كتاب الحيل.Traslated and annotated by Donald R. Hill, 1978 Archived 2018-01-20 at the Wayback Machine
  7. ^ Li Guo, 1998 Early Mamluk Syrian Historiography. Vol.1. Archived 2013-10-06 at the Wayback Machine
  8. ^ Biographical Dictionary of the History of Technology Al-Jazari, Ibn Al-Razzaz Archived 2013-12-05 at the Wayback Machine
  9. ^ Aleksandr D. Knyž, 1999 Ibn ʻArabi in the Later Islamic Tradition: The Making of a Polemical Image in Medieval Islam. SUNY Press. Archived 2013-12-05 at the Wayback Machine
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