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Nationality in lead
[edit]Hi all,
Since this has caused a lot of back-and-forthing amongst several editors on this article, I am taking this matter here. With regards to Hadjar's nationality in the opening sentence, we have two options in line with consensus set in this discussion at WP:F1—that trivial secondary nationalities belong in the personal life section, not the lead:
- Isack Alexandre Hadjar is a French and Algerian racing driver, [...] (current)
- Isack Alexandre Hadjar is a French racing driver, [...]
Notes worth considering:
- Hadjar was born and raised in France, and has only competed under the French flag.
- The latter point could change in Formula One, as we have no confirmation he will continue under the French flag.
- Hadjar's entire family is Algerian—to the best of my knowledge—and continue to live there.
- To state the obvious, this is controversial; not only because of the back-and-forth reverts on this article, including questionable edit summaries [1][2], but also because of Islamophobia in France.
- If it is decided that both should be mentioned, once he debuts in F1, the opening sentence will be expanded as such: "[...] who competes under the French/Algerian flag in Formula One [...]", per Max Verstappen, Nico Rosberg, Alex Albon, etc.
Please keep your replies concise, and feel free to add any comments I missed in the list above. MB2437 23:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Is there anything wrong with "French-Algerian racing driver"? I feel like it flows better, and covers the point that he is both nationalities. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 01:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it goes against MOS:ETHNICITY. MB2437 01:07, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, Support option 1. Algerian is relevant, and is notable enough for the lead. It's not like it's his distant ancestors, or he is 1/8 Algerian - from what's been reported, both of his parents are Algerian. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 02:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it goes against MOS:ETHNICITY. MB2437 01:07, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Is there anything wrong with "French-Algerian racing driver"? I feel like it flows better, and covers the point that he is both nationalities. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 01:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support option 1, per @GalacticVelocity08 MB2437 02:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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