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On 26 May 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Denial of the Holodomor to Holodomor denial. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Hi @Stix1776. Why did you revert me with “Reverting the last addition. It seems a bit much to include this in the lead after two posts to the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. Please gain consensus of other editors in the talk page before adding. Thanks”?[1] This is not a reason. There was no objection and positive remarks about this source at the RSN. —Michael Z. 15:50, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm on mobile this very second, so I didn't write as eloquently as I wished I did. I meant that you hadn't gotten one supportive second editor, despite two posts to the Reliable Sources Noticeboard, and adding a paragraph to the lead really should get consensus of other editors per WP:LEADCREATE. Is this really so important, relevant, and reliable that it should be included in the lead?Stix1776 (talk) 15:58, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I did get support, at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 417#Is the Library of Congress Subject Headings a reliable source on defining “Holodomor denial”.

What is your objection to this edit? —Michael Z. 16:29, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What support? Show diffs. Stix1776 (talk) 23:50, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The comment by whatamIdoing showed general support, and the comment by GreenC specifically supported the paper.

You haven’t said why you oppose this source or the cited statement. I guess you just don’t want it. —Michael Z. 13:21, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of them did, although GreenC's comment was a bit more supportive that others should "read it". No one said it was reliable. Your second post got zero replies, so instead of dropping it, you reinsert a paragraph back into the lead.

My issues with this is that it's a WP:LEADBOMB. It's dropping a huge chunk of new info, not in the article, but in the lead. The lead should be a summary of article. And you're the only editor pushing this.

Per [2], academia.edu isn't a reliable source. Do you not have a DOI or link to the original?? Thanks.Stix1776 (talk) 12:01, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The source is already cited in the article. Since you object to it in the lead, I’ll put it in the body. Since you object to a link to an online version, I’ll just cite the source. I think your baseless obstruction is making the article worse than it would be otherwise. —Michael Z. 13:41, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, can you please include a doi or some way of linking to the actual article. Thanks. Stix1776 (talk) 14:32, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mzajac: I support including the source in the article. I'll WP:BOLDly re-add it, at least for now. CJ-Moki (talk) 07:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CJ-MokiDoes the Reliable Source noticeboard ruling that academia.edu isn't reliable mean nothing?Stix1776 (talk) 09:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not published or self-published on academia.edu merely hosted there. If you like you can remove the URL—blindlynx 16:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, the article has been cited here for seven years,[3] so please demonstrate consensus to remove it before doing so. There is no objection to it. Even Stix1776 hasn’t made any concrete objection to it, but merely tried to remove it because they don’t like the facts it supports.

Secondly, the source is not academia.edu, but Holodomor Studies. There is a WP:CONLINK to Academia, and it was posted there by the author and presumably copyright holder, so please do not remove it without justification either.

These objections without any basis are obstruction and they are getting disruptive. —Michael Z. 22:36, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Page Already Exists/folding

The article could be folded into this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_genocide_question 2600:1008:B0C3:EC55:C4DF:9DD3:1CC2:B8C7 (talk) 11:05, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Debating the Holodomor

This article is currently the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2025 and 30 April 2025. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Knowledgelover52 (article contribs).

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