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This article was nominated for merging with Banu Hashim on 29 March 2016. The result of the discussion (permanent link) was Keep (Not Merged).

On 17 April 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved to House of Hashim. The result of the discussion was not moved.

This article about what exactly?

Okay, so article should serve one subject. If this article is about the Hashimite royal family in Jordon we will stick to it.. I think we have to create another article about Hashimites in general. Most of Hashimites live Tehama not in Jordon BTW.--SharabSalam (talk) 11:12, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hashimites

Some sources (like Teitelbaum 2001) speak of the "Hashimites", and since Hashimites (rightly) redirects here, it should probably be included in bold ("also spelled Hashimites"). From MOS:BOLDREDIRECT: Terms which redirect to an article or section are commonly bolded when they appear in the first couple of paragraphs of the lead section. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 01:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

However, if it doesn't appear there is nothing to bold. So the question is whether it should appear. The only truly correct name is the Arabic, and it is nearly always the case that different transliteration rules produce different versions in English letters. Sometimes there are many versions. These are not different names but just different renditions of the same name. In my opinion, redirects are the correct way to handle this, rather than complicating the article lead by adding variations. There is no strict rule about this. Maybe someone else will comment. Zero^talk 02:31, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you're right, redirects are generally the best way to handle this. Not sure why I thought it more relevant in this case. I guess that I've gone through so many "also spelled as" cases lately that I was starting to assume that we always need to do this. But I think I may have been wrong with this one.

☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 04:52, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What does the Ja’alin tribe in Sudan have to do with the Hashemite monarchy of Jordan?

These two are seemingly unrelated, except for being descendants of Hashim bin Abd Manaf Ismail7Hussein (talk) 19:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A noble (blood member) of the Hashemite's administration in Hejaz (KSA) is the founder of the Ja'alin tribe Ultimate Tai (talk) 18:10, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They're both (Abbasid and Hashemite) from the branches of the Banu Hashim clan. Ultimate Tai (talk) 17:54, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the Ja'alin claim rights or honorary rights of the Hashemite monarchy?

They should.........right? Ultimate Tai (talk) 18:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move page to House of Hashim

Hashemites most commonly refers to Banu Hashim. Hashemites (disambiguation) should be moved to Hashemites, and this article should move to House of Hashim. AimanAbir18plus (talk) 09:38, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 April 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Minimal evidence was presented in support of the nominator's claim, so participants remain unconvinced. In future, I strongly encourage the nominator to cite several sources in their nomination statement and to include these sources from the very beginning of the RM. (closed by non-admin page mover) Toadspike [Talk] 13:15, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hashemites → House of Hashim
Hashemites (disambiguation) → Hashemites

– Hashemites most commonly refers to Banu Hashim. Hashemites (disambiguation) should be moved to Hashemites, and this article should move to House of Hashim. Proof - Members of Banu Hashim, and especially their descendants, are also referred to as Hashemites, Hashimites, Hashimids, or Bakara and often carry the surname al-Hāshimī. These descendants, and especially those tracing their lineage to Muhammad through his daughter Fatima, hold the traditional title of Sharīf (often synonymous to Sayyid).^[1]

AimanAbir18plus (talk) 09:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. — Amakuru (talk) 12:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). AimanAbir18plus (talk) 09:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You did not provide any proof that Hashemites most commonly refers to Banu Hashem 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 09:48, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Read the Banu Hashim article. AimanAbir18plus (talk) 09:53, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apart from you changing the original text of the RM, what about it that proves that the name refers to that 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 10:04, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closer: I added the move of the associated disambiguation page per nominator's statement as of this comment. Rotideypoc41352public (talk) 23:28, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment we have Hashemite–Umayyad rivalry which refers to Banu Hashim, but from a Google search it pretty much always refers to Jordan's royal family. Kowal2701 (talk) 21:56, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No evidence. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:28, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Per WP:COMMONNAME. There is no evidence that the House of Hashim is the common name. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk · contribs) 21:32, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
House of Hashim refers to the specific Jordanian dynasty similar to House of Saud. While, Hashemites most commonly refers to Banu Hashim. For this reason, Hashemites (disambiguation) should be moved to Hashemites. AimanAbir18plus (talk) 14:57, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Van Arendonk, C.; Graham, W.A. (1960–2007). "Sharīf". In Bearman, P. J.; Bianquis, Th.; Bosworth, C. E.; van Donzel, E.; Heinrichs, W. P. (eds.). Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] Van Arendonk, C.; Graham, W.A. (1960–2007). "Sharīf". In Bearman, P. J.; Bianquis, Th.; Bosworth, C. E.; van Donzel, E.; Heinrichs, W. P. (eds.). Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition.

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