Talk:George Scoones

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Reference fix?

Perhaps the second reference should be like the first reference.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 19:41, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Did he live into World War II?

I am not myself a fluent French communicator or reader but I think this merits some Anglo-French collaboration between editors!

French wikipedia states George Scoones died at Bienvilliers in France on 27 January 1940. Intriguingly, a Sapper George W. Scoones of the Royal Engineers is recorded by the CWGC as having died on the same date and been buried at Bienvilliers Military Cemetery, see link: https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2278867/george-w-scoones/

This begs question if he is the same man. The man known to the CWGC was recordedly 47 years old (birth year 1892/93, six years younger than the 1886 which is given without citation) but he may have been one of those who faked his age downwards to re-enlist, and got to serve with the BEF in France in the phoney war period of 1939-40 before the Dunkirk evacuations. If 1892/93 were his birth year he would still have been mature enough at 18/19 to join the club in 1912. The birthdate has no citation so I have raised a citation need for it. The entry lacks detail of family and home background.

It appears from French wikipedia he has been identified as the same man by Claude Loire, author of L'encyclopédie du Stade rennais, published 2014, p. 192. It would be interesting to know what Loire has to say about Scoone's latter years. I also wonder if there were reports of his death in newspapers of France and Britain (particularly Jersey) as it was a relatively quiet and early phase of the war and more conducive to coverage.

What might resolve the question as to whether they are the same man might be to look up the British GRO Index of Births, particularly if any George W. Scoones were born during 1892/1893 as well as 1886, but would the Channel Islands have been covered? Cloptonson (talk) 18:48, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

In L'Ouest-Eclair 14 February 1940 page 4, there is a report of the death of the former footballer. 54 years old(...), rejoined the army despite his age. Died suddenly/surprisingly of the flu (par la grippe....) in Jersey (...) [1] I can't find proof of a George Scoones born 1893 in Jersey. There is another one born in 1910, that appears to be his son. He and two other sons joined the French Army. Cattivi (talk) 20:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Cattivi, thank you. I am surprised that he died in Jersey if that was the case, that his body came to be transported to mainland France for burial when he could quite easily have been buried on Jersey (this was pre- the German occupation of the Islands). From what my limited French tells me I can see that he had served in the Royal Field Artillery in WWI (grand guerre) (the RFA amalgamated into a larger Royal Regiment of Artillery in the 1920s so he could not have rejoined his original regiment). Any other points not already mentioned? (For example what he did after retiring from play?) That saves checking birth records now that he is more firmly considerable as being the same man.Cloptonson (talk) 21:40, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know. A soldier who died of illness gets a war grave. Maybe that's why his body was transported back: To give him a war grave, bury him with his mates. There is no further usefull information in the obituary, just the usual stuff. He will be missed etc. He was married to a woman from Rennes. In 1933 he was living in Rennes. [2] Maybe he visited family in Jersey while recovering, and suddenly his condition got much worse. All speculation of course. Cattivi (talk) 10:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Well that puts to question French wikipedia's assertion Scoones died in Bienvilliers, the place he came to be buried. If he did not die in France then his death could not be registered in France. I don't know if you have French contacts but it could be of advantage to them if you pass on the newspaper link for benefit of editors of the French article. Someone can then take the search up there. Cloptonson (talk) 13:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

His dead was not registered in Bienvilliers, but I’m not sure it should be with a war going on. [3] I can’t link to the file directly. But it’s a small village, the names are listed alphabetically Cattivi (talk) 18:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

That depends on what registration district it is in and how registration was/is carried out under French law. I would have thought the system was running normally except where the German invasion caused functionaries to evacuate.Cloptonson (talk) 07:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)