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Name error,True is General Intelligence Directorate (Arabic: إدارة المخابرات العامة --188.116.222.249 (talk) 23:12, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Still functioning?

Anas Khattab was appointed as the head of the agency, it seems it was not dissolved but turned to be under the new administration

EDIT: I just found out about General Intelligence Service (Syria) and now it makes sense

- RamiPat (talk) 13:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that this organization was dissolved in December 2024. This remains to be verified. @RamiPat can you read sources in Arabic to confirm this ?

I know that at least its dissolution was announced. "General Intelligence Directorate (Syria)" will have to be updated when there is more information.
I am not 100% sure that the dissolution is already effective and I did not find a source in the article on this subject. Anatole-berthe (talk) 20:04, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well it's not very clear to me.

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This article mentions:

وأوضح خطاب أنه "سيعاد تشكيل المؤسسة الأمنية من جديد، بعد حل كافة الأفرع الأمنية وإعادة هيكلتها بصورة تليق بشعبنا وتضحياته وتاريخه العريق في بناء الأمم".

which means:

Khattab said that "the security institution will be restructured anew, after the dissolution of all security branches and their reorganization in a manner befitting our people, their sacrifices, and their rich history in nation-building".

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In this interview ( https: //youtu .be/QluTb2j7n3o?si=IZwUjf_TNf2n5jbB ) (I can't put a full Youtube link apparently), the guest, which I couldn't know who he is exactly or anything other than the fact that his name is Abbas, explained that the statement by Khattab means that all intelligence-related entities of the overgrown regime will be completely dissolved, and a new (possibly one) entity will be established that is completely separate and new.

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- RamiPat (talk) 09:54, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If I rightly understood. You don't know either if the organisation was dissolved or if it will be done in the future.

Therefore , you and I don't know. Anatole-berthe (talk) 09:32, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. Sorry my reply was probably too long and not very clear. But your understanding is correct.

- RamiPat (talk) 17:28, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I consider you haven't any reason to be sorry because your answer was clear.

I saw you have an account on :

1."Wikipedia in Arabic"

2."Wikipedia in Egyptian Arabic"

3."Wikipedia in Moroccan Arabic (No article on Wikipedia in English about this Wikipedia)"

4."Wikipedia in Hebrew"

5."Wikipedia in Turkish"

Do you own an account to others Wikipedia than those I mentionned with at least one contribution ?

You know "English language" , "Modern Standard Arabic" and "Turkish". Do you know another tongue ?

If we are looking for reliable sources to discover if this intelligence service is still in service.

I think we have to look mainly for sources in Arabic and Turkish but maybe sources in others languages can help us.

I have an account on "Wikipedia in English" with at least one contributions but you known it already.

I contribute to "Wikipedia in French" because this is my native tongue.

I have at least one contribution on "Wikipedia in Catalan" and "Wikipedia in Spanish". Two languages I'm far to fully understand while reading and nearly unable to write. Anatole-berthe (talk) 07:29, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of General Intelligence Service (Syria) into General Intelligence Directorate (Syria)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To not merge given that the two institutions don't have historical continuity and that the General Intelligence Directorate was specifically dissolved by the Syrian transitional government.Klbrain (talk) 19:10, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

merge the General Intelligence Service (Syria) (GIS) into General Intelligence Directorate (Syria) (GID), and move the into General Intelligence Service (Syria). All of the information of the new GIS is already in the GID article, in 2024 section. The new GIS is just a new update to the intelligence service in Syria. The history section of (currently) the General Intelligence Directorate (Syria) contains information about its predecessors like the Department of General Security and Internal Security Forces Command. The same thing was done for the General Intelligence Service (Sudan) which was known as National Intelligence and Security Service before the Sudanese revolution FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose a radical change occured in Syria, all Assad's institutions have been dissolved. Different for Sudan.

Panam2014 (talk) 23:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sudan was an example. The General Intelligence Directorate (Syria) (GID) article talks about the Department of General Security (1945–1958) which was the French Mandate of Syria, Internal Security Forces Command (1961–1971) which operated during the United Arab Republic, and finally the Ba'athist Syria GID (1971–2024) FuzzyMagma (talk) 09:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is different. Department of General Security was during the First Republic of Syria. Assad regime have not radically change the institution. But we could also keep this article only for the 1963-2024 period, while the other page will be general. Panam2014 (talk) 13:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose They're different agencies altogether, belonging to different governments. They should have their own articles. Mr.DetectiveMan (talk) 22:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It does seem one is the successor of the other. If this is the case , I think we should not merge.

On the other hand , when in "France" the DCRI (Direction centrale du renseignement intérieur / Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence) was dissolved and replaced by "DGSI" (Direction générale de la Sécurité intérieure / General Directorate for Internal Security).

Another article wasn't done even if the situation is similar to "OSS" being replaced by "Central Intelligence Group" that is the main direct successor of OSS. The other is "Bureau of Intelligence and Research".

"CIA" is the successor of "Bureau of Intelligence and Research".

When DCRI was dissolved and replaced by DGSI. It was the same political regime that is the "Fifth Republic".

When OSS ceased to operate. It was not another political regime because this regime still existing.

We are note sure "General Intelligence Directorate" ceased to exist.

See the topic "Still functioning?" on the talk page. Anatole-berthe (talk) 05:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On 29 January 2025, the Military Command in Syria issued many decisions (some of which were already de facto in place), including the dissolution of all security agencies of the former regime and the establishment of one new agency to replace them. Therefore, a merge would be a mistake in my opinion; they should be kept separate.

- RamiPat (talk) 22:59, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks you for this source ! Anatole-berthe (talk) 04:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@RamiPat: do you have the full list of pro-Assad agencies which have been dissolved? Panam2014 (talk) 00:22, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.