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On 10 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from From the River to the Sea to From the river to the sea. The result of the discussion was moved.

Bias

The framing of this article is a direct assault on neutrality. While Palestinians are accused of genocidal intentions by using this phrase, Netanyahu stands in the UN with a map showing Israel from the river to the sea, but somehow that doesn't fit because the article is designed to make sure it doesn't fit. And Bibi is just one example. Quoting this recent article: "Israeli Jews are the last people on Earth who can complain about Palestinian longing for the land from the river to the sea. The State of Israel is the mother of 'river to the sea' – using graphic rather than geographic language. It is nearly impossible to find a map in any public space in Israel today, from official maps to public art and iconography, showing the Green Line that would delineate a hypothetical Palestinian state. Maps in Israel show the whole land, undivided – in effect, erasing Palestinian political and national identity. ... Anyone who accuses Palestinians of a 'river to sea' ideology is a fraud – a master of whataboutism for the river to sea reality of the State of Israel today." That article should be considered for quotation and I'm sure there are others. Zero^talk 23:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 27 February 2025

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Description of suggested change:

Add in an additional variation used in current student protests: from the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab (min il-ṃayye la-l-ṃayye / Falasṭīn rah ykoon arabiyye (من المية للمية / فلسطين "رح يكون عربية, "from the water to the water / Palestine will be Arab"). Sources: I personally was at the protest today where this was used, see also this article which mentions it:https://nypost.com/2025/02/27/us-news/jewish-advocacy-group-calls-on-doj-to-defund-columbia-barnard-as-anti-israel-protests-resume-for-second-day/

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209.2.225.246 (talk) 22:20, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: This is not enough for inclusion. Your hearing it at a protest would be WP:OR, so your only source is the NYPost quoting a student that he heard it. The NYPost is considered by the community to be unreliable, especially for factual reporting and politics. See WP:NYPOST. closhund /talk/ 20:22, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Revert

Hi, @IOHANNVSVERVS. I noticed that you reverted my edit, which changed Palestine the region to Mandatory Palestine. The reason I did this was because the source, [1] explicitly refers to the British Mandate of Palestine as what the land between the river and the sea was historically called.

The Jordan River and Mediterranean Sea form the eastern and western boundaries, respectively, of what was the British Mandate of Palestine before 1948. It is also the heart of the biblical Land of Israel (though the ancient Jewish kingdom there extended further).

I don't mind leaving it as Palestine the region as long as sources support it, so could you please replace the current one with one that makes it clear the area between the river and the sea wasn't historically Mandatory Palestine? ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:52, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the inline citation here should be improved, or it could just be removed as inline citation is not being needed in the lede anyway. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 04:01, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I tried rewriting some of the lede as so: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=From_the_river_to_the_sea&diff=prev&oldid=1281238583 - IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 04:18, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seems fine, if a bit long. How about "...is a political slogan that refers to the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, an area historically known as Palestine [or simply "an area of Palestine"], which was formerly British Mandatory Palestine,..."? ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 04:50, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've thought about this and I'm not sure what the best way to word this is. I've no objections to your proposed text. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 21:14, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Changed. Cheers, ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 21:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Russian state sponsored media

Significant portion of the "Legal status" section cite the Russian state-owned agency TASS and news agency RIA Novosti. According to WP:TASS and WP:RIANOVOSTI, these sources are considered biased. They should be replaced with more credible ones, especially given the highly contentious topic. For a comprehensive summary of the current legal status in Germany, consider for example: https://www.lto.de/recht/hintergruende/h/lg-berlin-502kls2124-hamas-from-river-to-sea-rechtskraeftig (in German) Iluzalsipal (talk) 20:02, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 31 March 2025

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Description of suggested change:

Under "Similar sayings by the Israeli right", the following sentence is tagged with "Better source needed":

> The phrase has been used by the Israeli prime minister, Likud's Benjamin Netanyahu, in speeches.

I have a better source:

https://newrepublic.com/post/178243/benjamin-netanyahu-literally-says-from-the-river-to-the-sea

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68.107.11.196 (talk) 20:08, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Added as a URL, could use proper formatting. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 20:55, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]