Talk:Embodiment of Scarlet Devil

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Requested move 30 October 2019

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move. Pretty straightforward WP:THE case. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 12:46, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil → Embodiment of Scarlet Devil – Embodiment of Scarlet Devil is the common English rendering among both the public and fan community, as demonstrated by Google Trends and the Touhou Wiki. There is a precedent for dropping the "the" in Touhou subtitles, namely with TH01 Highly Responsive to Prayers (released as "The Highly Responsive to Prayers") and TH02 Story of Eastern Wonderland (released as "the Story of Eastern Wonderland") — Goszei (talk) 05:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:27, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Æ's old account wasn't working (talk · contribs) 06:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Cukie Gherkin (talk · contribs) 12:16, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Before I do a thorough review, I'm immediatley concerned by how many sources are WP:SPS or otherwise low-quality sources. Here are two lists, one of SPS and the other of bad, non-SPSes.

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I also noticed some sites I'm not sure about; for instance. gensokyo.org stuff, this, and this, as I can't tell if they are official blogs or not.

Overall, I can't help but pause over how much of the sources are unreliable ones. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 12:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Working on it. Æ's old account wasn't working (talk) 13:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually let me just remove all my comments since I'm going with the wind it seems. Looking outside of Reception and legacy, at first glance, it might not be too bad of an issue. I'll hold off on failing for a week; I'm also going to go through other sections and do a meticulous spotcheck, just to make sure everything's on the up-and-up regarding sourcing. One concern I have, and it might a big'un, is whether it's possible to see the non-linked sources to verify their contents, as I'd like to make sure that the translations are up to snuff. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 08:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reception and legacy

I feel like some things should be better cited; for instance, neither of the citations attached to the last sentence of the section establish that the setting and characters are from this. The articles don't impress upon the reader the importance of the anime being related, so it could just be trimmed to just saying that characters from EOSD appear in it. This is also an issue with the citation for Fantasy Kaleidoscope ~ The Memories of Phantasm.
There's also some NPOV issues; for example, neither source establishes any of the seiyuu as being high-ranking or their inclusion being particularly notable.
I checked the Toby Fox section of this, but I can't find mention of EOSD music in it. Is Necrofantasia from this game? I also can't find the claim about having played this and PCB.
An issue of original research is in the "Beloved Tomboyish Girl" section; while I believe that it's a song from the game, the article does not state that. A reliable source should be attached to establish the link between the game and the song, as the current source basically only connects it to Touhou itself. The source also doesn't call it a meme.
There are no citations for Touhou Luna Nights, Koumajou Densetsu: Scarlet Symphony and the second chapter of Touhou LostWord.
The book citation does not appear to verify Embodiment of Scarlet Devil's importance in the series' success
The good news of all these problems is that, at the very least, the work is well written, which makes the problems a little easier to surmount. It should be noted that in some cases, like Japanese sources, I may have missed something due to a translation error, so please let me know. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 08:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done. The questionable sources have been fixed. Æ's old account wasn't working (talk) 10:30, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Second round of checks

"Low sales expectations" would constitute original research; should be changed to say that past entries underperformed comparatively. I also am not certain of the through line between selling better than past entries and being a limited release. Additionally, "very limited" appears to be OR as well, as the article only seems to call it limited.
At present, there is only one retrospective review posted, so "Retrospective Japanese reviews have been highly positive, looking back on the game with nostalgia for its unique atmosphere." does not make sense.
"The music of Embodiment of Scarlet Devil is also consistently praised as one of the best in the series, and of all time." This isn't supported by the sources in this section

Concerns

Ultimately, I believe that this article may still need a lot more work to get it to good article status. Having found quite a few instances where sources did not match what they claim, I think it important to go through and verify that every claim in the article is verified by reliable sources. I'm going to fail this article for now due to this, as it will be a fairly extensive process. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 15:40, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]