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Birth date

He has stated that his real birth date and his official birth dates are different during a show he attended. When I changed his birth date to his real birth date, added a note that explained the situation, and cited the show as a source; my change was reverted due to "sourcing not being sufficient enough". My source includes a clear footage of him stating his real birth date. What makes this source insufficient?

Later on, I also found this other video where his mother says that his official birth date is one year earlier than his actual birth date. This site also mentions that he once said that his birth year is 1971 while he was a guest at Çalar Saat, though I wasn't able to find the exact footage. Given these sources, I think it's clear that his real birth date is not the same as his official birth date.

Is real or official information more important for Wikipedia? If real information is more important, shouldn't we change his official birth date to his real birth date? If official information is more important, shouldn't we mention 3 June 1971 as his probable real birth date via a note?--Xindt (talk) 15:31, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the change to the actual birth date rather than an incorrect "official" one is necessary – the source is Imamoglu's personal statement, recorded and published online, so I am not sure how much more correct a piece of information can get than that. This change also reflects his birth date on Turkish language Wikipedia (i.e., Turkish language Wikipedia has 3 June 1971 instead of 4 June 1970.

If more clarification is needed, a note can be added on this matter to explain why and how his "official" birth date is incorrect. Drgfrt (talk) 21:21, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever we decide to do about the birth date, the article is now in a sorry state where both dates are given in different parts of the page, but all with sources that don't support them:

In the lead sentence, we've had "3 June 1971" (his alleged "real" birthday), but with a source cited [1] that gives the official birth year (1970) – and without the exact day, either 3 June or 4 June. An IP recently tried to revert that to what the source said, but was reverted.
In the infobox, we've had the "3 June 1971" date, sourced to a 75-minute Youtube video of a comedy show interview, where I suppose Imamoglu somewhere stated this. I doubt this counts as a reliable source, and in any case it's quite useless to the non-Turkish-speaking reader to verify the claim, without explanation – are we supposed to listen to 75 minutes of talk in a foreign language to figure out what's going on?
In the biography section, we have the official "1970", but cited to a source that has no info about his birth whatsoever.
Nowhere in the article is there any explanation about the discrepancy.

I'm going to change this to giving the official 1970 birthdate as primary throughout, following the vast majority of reliable sources out there, including his official biography on the IBB website [2]. The maximum we can do is a note saying that 4 June 1970 is his officially recorded birth date. Imamoglu stated in an interview in 2022 that his actual birth date was a year later, on 3 June 1971. This should be sourced to this newspaper article [3] reporting on the TV show, rather than to the primary source of the video itself. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with above. The article cannot stay as it is, with "1971" sourced to an article that says "1970". As long as both the official biography at the party CHP and at the IBB Municipality say 1970, there is no sense in putting a different date, however true it might be. We have to go with official data here, and we can change them to the true ones when they are officially changed, not earlier. Ilyacadiz (talk) 12:19, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To add to article

To add to this article: which of İmamoğlu's degrees was annulled (he has both a BA and MA), and what the supposed "irregularities" were. 98.123.38.211 (talk) 00:57, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Still in office?

There have been a few reverts over the treatment in the infobox of whether Imamoglu is still in office as mayor (as of today, March 21) or whether his tenure should be described as having ended on the 20th. Most recently [4] User:SukunWaShadda added some citations in support of the latter view, arguing that a new acting mayor (Nuri Aslan) had taken over. However:

The Hurriyet article cited as fn #2 and #3 [5] doesn't actually mention this at all. Instead, it talks about the possibility that an acting mayor might be installed in the future, either by election in the City Council or imposed by the central government, if and when Imamoglu is actually charged and his custody becomes longer-term pre-trial detention (which hasn't happened yet). It also discusses under what conditions he could also resume his duties, if and when he gets released pending trial.
The Daily Sabah article [6] does mention Nuri Aslan assuming the role, but describes it as an appointment by Imamoglu himself. Doesn't this imply that Imamoglu is still formally in charge? If he still has the power to appoint his own acting substitute, doesn't that mean he still is the mayor?

Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:37, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When I added the Hürriyet article, it explicitly mentioned Nuri Aslan as the appointed successor. However, it seems that the article has since been edited. The name of the acting mayor is mentioned in numerous Turkish articles as already being in charge; but I don’t know if those are useful for the English Wikipedia article SukunWaShadda (talk) 17:09, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see. We should probably not cite the English Hurriyet pages in that case, if they keep changing their articles all the time (they seem to have updated it yet again in the meantime.) In fact, I'd consider neither Hurriyet nor Sabah reliable sources about controversial Turkish political issues anyway, given they are both flagrantly pro-government outlets. In any case, whatever the sourcing, my point still stands that Aslan's role seems to be that of a substitute acting on Imamoglu's behalf and by Imamoglu's own appointment, implying that Imamoglu himself hasn't really been replaced or deposed as yet. This seems to be quite a different situation from that in 2019 when he was formally removed from office and replaced with Yerlikaya. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:29, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I put a cite-tag on the infobox claim that his office ended on March 23. I also changed a heading to remove end year. Until the dust has settled and we have good sources we shouldn't jump to conclusions. —St.Nerol (talk, contribs) 10:26, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks. The March 23 thing was clearly a formal removal from office (albeit formally only a temporary removal for now, as far as I understand), so listing that day makes sense. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:29, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strange wording in LGBT rights section.

This is said in the article:

During his administration, an official from SPoD, a prominent LGBT studies organization in Turkey, was elected to the Executive Board of the Istanbul Urban Council, making them the first LGBT person ever to hold office.

Two things here. First: "The first LGBT person ever to hold office," where is that? In Turkey? In Istanbul? Or in that urban council? Second: "them" in this sentence, does that mean that the individual prefers a gender-neutral pronoun, or is it because the English Wikipedia doesn't know? (If the latter, he/she should be used instead.) The source is in Turkish so I can't read it. Fomalhaut76 (talk) 13:32, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]