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A fact from Ein Samiya appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 July 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Ein Samiya (pictured), which provides the water for Taybeh, the first beer brewed in Palestine, was depopulated in 2023 after harassment by neighboring Israeli settlers?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ein Samiya.

DYK?

User:Onceinawhile: Should we go for a DYK? Huldra (talk) 22:12, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Further sources:

For one day, the villagers of Ein Samia beat Israel’s most radical settlers, Oren Ziv, August 19, 2018, +972 Magazine
A Palestinian Tribe Is Uprooted for the Seventh Time, by Gideon Levy, Jul 22, 2022, Haaretz :"In 1970, they were uprooted from there to the eastern side of the village of Kafr Malik. Three years later, a military base was built adjacent to them and they were evacuated again. They moved to the Ein Samiya area, not far away, where they remained until 1988, despite all the evacuation orders they were slapped with in the intervening years. In 1988, they decided to leave and establish a new community nearby, at Khabun."

‘War crime’: Israel forcibly transfers Palestinian village, By Aziza Nofal and Zena Al Tahhan, 25 May 2023, Al Jazeera

Hi @Huldra: yes good idea. Do you want me to submit it? Onceinawhile (talk) 06:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How about the following hook: "… that Ein Samiya, which provides the water for Palestinian beer, was depopulated in 2023 after decades of harassment by neighboring Israeli settlers?"

Onceinawhile (talk) 07:25, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Onceinawhile: sounds good. But we have to remove/source all unsourced material in the article first... Huldra (talk) 20:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. In the meantime I have opened the nomination, given that has to be done within the first seven days. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:20, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 09:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Ein Samiya

... that Ein Samiya (pictured), which provides the water for Taybeh, Palestine's first beer, was depopulated in 2023 after harassment by neighboring Israeli settlers? Source: Meneley, Anne (2014). "Resistance Is Fertile!". Gastronomica. 14 (4). University of California Press: 69–78. doi:10.1525/gfc.2014.14.4.69. ISSN 1529-3262. JSTOR 10.1525/gfc.2014.14.4.69. The only ingredient that guarantees Palestinianness is the natural spring water from the Ein Samia spring. This is an important point, as water in Palestine is now under serious threat, with Israelis controlling 80 percent of the water in the West Bank, and springs, like olive trees, are very much a target of Israeli settler colonialism. Manning (2012: 223), speaking of Georgian beer production, has an interesting analysis of how European beer technology insures quality of production, but marketing authentic Georgianness focuses on two elements: the ethnographic tradition of Georgia's mountain peoples, and Georgian nature in the form of the mountain spring water that has been renowned for centuries. In the case of Palestine, the Ein Samia water is the guarantor of Palestinian authenticity while the European ingredients and techniques are the guarantors of quality. In Taybeh's promotional material, it is not ethnography that is drawn upon but discourses about resources in Palestinian nationalism; water is as much of a concern as land. Customers are urged to Drink Palestinian in order to Taste the Revolution, linking beer consumption to a wider political project of freeing Palestine from the Israeli occupation. and "Palestinian community forced to evacuate Ein Samia - UNOCHA". The Jerusalem Post. 2023-05-26. Retrieved 2023-05-26. A Palestinian community in Ein Samia has been evacuated on Monday to make room for settlers, according to a report by the United Nations Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UNOCHA). Members of a Palestinian shepherding community in Ein Samia in the Ramallah district of the West Bank have begun dismantling their homes and leaving. Residents said they are being forced to leave due to the violence from settlers; Ein Samia was home to 178 people, including 78 children. Acting Humanitarian Coordinator Yvonne Halle claimed: "These families are not leaving by choice; the Israeli authorities have repeatedly destroyed houses and other buildings they own and threatened to destroy their only school." She added: "At the same time, the available grazing land has dwindled due to the expansion of settlements. Both children and adults have experienced settler violence."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Republican Palace Museum, Khartoum

Created by Onceinawhile (talk) and Huldra (talk). Nominated by Onceinawhile (talk) at 21:19, 30 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ein Samiya; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

New, long enough article. Sources look good; a few are from the 19th century, but the information from them is presented as historical material. I didn't find any copyright issues. There are three paragraphs in the article without citations that I have tagged. The article's claim that Taybeh is Palestine's only local beer is not supported by the Jerusalem Post article, which however says it's the first Palestinian beer and the largest microbrewery in the region. Does Gastronomica support the claim that it's the only one (I can only read the first page)? I don't like the Easter egg link in the hook, maybe change it to "Taybeh beer", "Palestine's first brewey" (if you add that info to the article) or a combination. I don't see support for the claim that the harrassment had gone on for decades in the article, nor in the Jerusalem Post article and UN source. It may very well be true, but unless there is another source, it's safest to leave it out and just say harrassment. Otherwise, everything looks good. QPQ is done. The image is free, appears in the article and looks good in small size. Ffranc (talk) 10:56, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Taybeh is the first, but far from only local beer in Palestine, so that part should be amended. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:12, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ffranc (and Iskandar323), thank you for your comments. I have added sources to the article as required, and amended the hook as suggested. Onceinawhile (talk) 07:03, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good! Ffranc (talk) 09:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fate of village - consultation

In reply to User:GhostInTheMachine's accusation of vandalism, I would like community input on how should the village ('Ein Samiya) be dscribed in the short description and intro? It is not a "former village" but a recently depopulated one, due to Israeli settler violence, and part of a planned governmental policy of deportation of Palestinians for ethnic and religious reasons. The context of the depopulation must be made clear, but what phrases should be used? @Huldra, do you have any thoughts?

Cheers, רמרום (talk) 10:34, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GhostInTheMachine, don't take unilateral actions while discussion is ongoing. You're invited to contribute your opinion here. @Huldra, any input to this discussion? רמרום (talk) 06:24, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK; there are no Palestinians living in Ein Samiya, at the present. User:Onceinawhile, do you have any other recent info? "A recently depopulated village" seems to be the correct description. Huldra (talk) 22:57, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources at the time said the last inhabitants had left. I cannot see anything published after that, but what is there to write… Onceinawhile (talk) 06:32, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the depopulation came by force (multiple independently verified accounts in Arabic), it seems that a recently depopulated village is the correct description רמרום (talk) 05:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A Short description should be short – see WP:SDSHORT.
A Short description should not attempt to define the article's subject – see WP:SDNOTDEF.
A Short description exists to clarify which article has been found by a search – see WP:SDPURPOSE.

The Short description is only intended to distinguish this article from other articles that may have a similar title and have been returned in a search list.
So, what is Ein Samiya? Is it a rock band? Is it a ship? No, it is a village. Where is it? It is in Palestine. A bit more specific ... it is in the Ramallah and al-Bireh Governorate. So a suitable Short description would be: Village in the Ramallah and al-Bireh Governorate, Palestine (59 characters). However, this is too long. See WP:SD40.
Reducing this, results in: Village in Ramallah and al-Bireh, Palestine (43 characters), which is short enough while being all that is needed.

The issue of the current population level and the reasons behind that should be left to the article lead and explained more fully in the article itself — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 11:48, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It has been a few days and nobody has commented, so can we assume that Village in Ramallah and al-Bireh, Palestine is seen as acceptable? — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 05:36, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, because this is a description of a Palestinian village, and should follow the established format for hundreds of Pal. villages on WP: Depopulated Palestinian Village / Palestinian village. רמרום (talk) 07:46, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see anything at WP:Depopulated Palestinian Village. Where is the policy? — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 08:02, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a policy, but the common practice, see in short descriptions here: List of towns and villages depopulated during the 1947–1949 Palestine war רמרום (talk) 10:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]