Talk:Debate 109/GA1

GA review

Passed. ThaesOfereode (talk) 20:42, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch

Nominator: OlifanofmrTennant (talk · contribs) 21:35, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: ThaesOfereode (talk · contribs) 13:25, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @OlifanofmrTennant: Thanks for the great work on this article (about a great episode!). Some comments below; I think there are some substantive issues with the plot summary, but this is likely a short-order GA.

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Lede

Probably could condense the lede into one paragraph. Doesn't seem to be a real reason to make it three, esp given the size of the page.
- Put it in three one for plot and one for the real world info per the TV mos
  - Great Y

Plot

Maybe highlight that City College is Greendale's hated rival? Seems pertinent to the plot. Why else would the Pelton, Whitman, and Annie be so inclined to get Jeff?
- Not done With the other changes the plot is at 399 words one under the 400 word limit in MOS:TV. Not every plot beat and joke can be included
  - Y Fair enough, I was operating under the movie plot length of 700. Will address it going forward with 400 per MOS:TVPLOT.
During the debate, City College → During the debate, City College's team Done
Jeff reluctantly agrees – He's bribed originally, right? ("I'll do it for the parking space [...]")
- Not done Yeah but he's still reluctant about it. The parking is pretty much a throway joke
  - Y Fine.
jumps to an early lead – Because Jeff chooses pandering instead of substance. This makes it sound like they're just getting paddled because Simmons is good, not because Jeff treats the audience as a jury rather than engaging with the debate's rules (even though that's kind of undercut later).
- Not done Annie still underperforms
  - Y Fair point; req rescinded.
after a particularly hurtful taunt towards Annie → after taunting Annie about her past Adderall addiction (Any reason not to be specific here?)
- Plot length
  - Y Fine. It gets the main point across anyhow.
In their first session, Pierce attempts to hypnotize Britta but is clearly inept. – Seems important that he injures himself in the process, which is what prompts Shirley to confront Abed, right?
- Not really
  - Y Fine.
To reassure Shirley, he shows her his next film, which includes a scene of Jeff and Annie's actors kissing. – To reassure her of what? Probably should say that he shows her this to convince her that his films are not divining the future because no one in the group believes that what he's showing them would happen ("You tell me my future right now, you evil wizard!"). Abed's dismissals are undercut by reality at every turn in the C plot, but this isn't really evident in the plot summary.
- Done
Shirley tells Jeff and Annie about their characters kissing in Abed's film – This is good prose, but reinforces what I'm saying above; is this conveying to the reader how important this premise (the two kissing) being ridiculous is to the plot?
Soft suggestion to link threesome?
The debate resumes, and Jeff and Annie keep pace with Simmons. – I think Jeff and Annie catch up to Simmons's team or something similar is a better understanding of what happens, right? They're resuming the debate, not starting anew.
- Y Even better than my suggestion. Nice job.
Abed tries to reassure Shirley but she feels even more convinced about Abed's "powers." – Maybe at first, but Abed actually does reassure Shirley this time ("Next week, we find out Pierce is an actual genius." "Well, that's not gonna happen."), but Abed himself actually comes to believe in his powers of prognostication after hearing Britta call Pierce a genius, and chases after Shirley to protect her after Whitman says "full moon tonight!".
- Not done relatively minor jokes
  - Yes, I was using them to convey my larger point about the C plot, though most of these have been fixed. My main point here is that episode ends with Shirley not believing in Abed's powers, but that sentence does not convey that idea. It looks like we're at 389 words from my count so can I suggest deleting the sentence there now and replacing it something like Shirley leaves feeling more convinced of Abed's "powers", but Abed is able to convince her it is a fluke. Using this still keeps us at 395. Feel free to reword as necessary. Done
Soft suggestion to just remove the actors' names from the plot section. It feels crowded and it's addressed later in the article. Done

Production

Seems like paragraphs 1 and 3 could probably just be made into one paragraph 1. Done
Probably could combine the two sentences about "Home" into one to improve the flow. Done

Otherwise, nothing to add here; great work.

Reception

Italicize Den of Geek. Done

Well, that's it from me on prose. I'll get a source review going before too much longer. ThaesOfereode (talk) 13:25, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Based on this diff here.

1 Y – Checks out.
4 N – one of the first episodes of Community that explores the crucial relationship dynamic between Jeff and Annie is not what is conveyed in the article (which also has a typo in this spot too, I noticed).
- Altered and added new citation
  - Y Looks good to me.
9 ? – Looks like the archive link does not work for me.
- Is this link working for you?
  - Yeah
    - Okay, I'm gonna AGF this. I've checked out the Den of Geek site in its place, which is good to go. Y
10 Y Y – Both check out.
12 Y Y – Both check out.

Looks like a few knots here. Should be easy fixes. ThaesOfereode (talk) 15:41, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ThaesOfereode: Questions? four Olliefant (she/her) 17:40, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @OlifanofmrTennant: ThaesOfereode (talk) 19:26, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ThaesOfereode: Done Questions? four Olliefant (she/her) 20:01, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @OlifanofmrTennant: Looks like we're good to go as far as GA is concerned; everything looks to be in order and I'll be passing it shortly. Thanks for the prompt responses and all the work you put into this page. ThaesOfereode (talk) 20:42, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.