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Nominator: Agus Damanik (talk · contribs) 16:46, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Amitchell125 (talk · contribs) 09:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Happy to review this article. AM

Review summary

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Review comments

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Lead/infobox
  • Unlink Washington, D.C. (MOS:OL).
  • Green tickY
  • Daniel in the Lions' Den - only Daniel has a capital here.
  • Green tickY
  • Link National Gallery of Art.
  • Green tickY
  • currently hangscurrently is redundant.
    Green tickY already removed currently
  • Introduce Daniel in the lead and the main text.
  • Green tickY done a rework. Please correct it again
  • There is no need for the link to the website in the infobox – it is linked already in the references section (twice it seems).
    • Red XN It comes with the template. I can't remove it. Do i need to make it manual?
 Done AM
  • The lead needs to be expanded, as it is currently does not "summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight" (MOS:LEAD}.
  • Green tickY already did. Please give me suggestion what's missing
I agree with you - no further action needed. AM
  • The image of Rubens causes sandwiching (MOS:SANDWICH)and needs to be removed.
  • Green tickY
1 Background
  • Link and introduce Rubens (using his full name).
Green tickY someone remove my writing about Ruben cause they said it's irrelevant. I already returned it back.
  • Link Duke of Mantua.
    Green tickY
  • classical sculptures like - ‘classical sculptors such as’ or ‘classical sculptures by’.
    Green tickY by
  • Dying Alexander should be in italics. Ditto The Penitent Saint Jerome (not Jerome).
    Green tickY
  • both of these - 'both of these works’.
    Green tickY
  • The painting was created - ‘Daniel in the Lions' Den was created’.
    Green tickY
  • piece and for whom it was originally intended is still unknown—add a comma between and and intended.
    Green tickY
  • Link Charles I; Secretary of State (Secretary of State (England)).
    Green tickY
  • Unlink London (MOS:OL).
    Green tickY
  • Move the link for Scotland to where it first appears.
    Green tickY
  • Rachel Aviva Pollack needs to be introduced.
    Green tickY
  • Painting of Jerome that became inspiration for the seated position—the caption requires additional text to show the origin of the work—'Cornelis Cort, Girolomo Muziano, Saint Jerome Penitent in the Wilderness (undated), Tartu University Library.
    Green tickY can you rework it.
  • Readers may be unfamiliar with the biblical story—a summary of it should be included in this section.
    Green tickY
  • It may be worthwhile including a short biographical summary about the artist here—entirely optional, but imo it improves the article a lot.
    Green tickY already did, you can see
  • Use Leonardo’s full name.
    Green tickY
2 Provenance
  • Link Dudley Carleton - he should be introduced in the text. Green tickY
not yet introduced - who was he? Amitchell125 (talk) 13:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Already did. he is 1st Viscount Dorchester and fine art enjoyer who also an ambassador for Charles I. I already put it in the text Agus Damanik (talk) 14:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Carleton is ambassador for James I who is King of England at that time in The Hague and also an admirer for fine art. Rubens and Carleton met in September 1616 after Carleton had been promoted from his former ambassadorship in when he encountered his old acquaintance Tobie Matthew and George Gage at destination spa cause he suffered gallstone. During this encounter, they escorted Carleton to Antwerp, where he visited artists' studios, including Rubens's. Carleton decided to purchase The Wolf and Fox Hunt with help from Matthew, Gage and William Trumbull, but negotiations fell through when Rubens sold the painting to the Duke of Aarschot. However, Rubens agreed to paint a smaller version for Carleton in exchange for a chain of diamonds. Agus Damanik (talk) 14:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link National Gallery of Art and give its location.
    Green tickY
  • who received it as part of a negotiation with Rubens – is redundant and can be deleted, as the text reappears in a similar form further down in the paragraph.
    Green tickY
  • entirely by Rubens himselfhimself is redundant.
    Green tickY
  • However, RubensHowever seems unnecessary here.
  • Green tickY
  • April 28, 1618 – a minor point, but 28 April, 1618 is preferable, as the numbers are separated.
    Green tickY
  • Later, in 1628Later is redundant.
    Green tickY
  • 'Viscount’ (not viscount) in the link.
    Green tickY
  • that was held by Christie, Manson & Woods on the first day of the sale on June 17, 1882 - 'held at Christie’s, on 17 June, 1882‘?.
    why change the name into Christie's. At this time, the name is Christie, Manson & Woods
agreed. AM
  • Who were Duncan, Keatley and Jamieson?
    They are their attendant, do I need to remove it
Yes, their names are unimportant here. AM
  • Green tickY already removed
  • Introduce Christopher Beckett Denison.
    Green tickY
  • sold it to the United States – this makes no sense—‘sold it to the United States Government’?
    Green tickY already removed and a new information
  • What is the painting's exhibition history, other than it is on display at the NGA?
    *Green tickY
3 Description
  • Link oil paint; Book of Daniel.
    Green tickY
  • Unlink realism, as it is within quotes.
    Green tickY
  • had access to exotic animals due to his role as a court painter - why would this be true?
    Green tickY
  • eighty years old – consider simplifying to ‘80’,
    Green tickY
  • of the incident – is redundant text.
    Green tickY
  • 'The Sketch of a lion by Rubens' image is in the wrong section.
    Green tickY
  • 'The Study for Daniel' image is causing sandwiching (MOS:SANDWICH), and should be removed.
    Green tickY
  • Convert 224 x 330 cm using Template:Convert.
    Green tickY
  • Move the link to Daniel to where he first appears in the text.
    Green tickY
  • Consider linking praying.
    Green tickY
  • Leopards – why are these mentioned, are they depicted in the painting?
    Green tickY already removed
4 References
  • Ref 9 PubHist; Ref 14 the art inspector – what makes you think they are both reliable sources?
    The ref 9 i realize is quite not reliable. Will change it
    Green tickY
    The ref 14 is quite trusty, the one running the website and the writer for the article is having master in Art History. I don't know, i love if you have differed opinion
    Green tickY
Red XN She is not a published author or academic, and her degrees not make her or the others reliable on Wikipedia.

Amitchell125 (talk) 17:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Amitchell125
Green tickY already removed
5 External links
  • The link here also appears in the references section, and so should not be included here. This means the Commons link should be moved to the references section (to avoid it being on its own).
  • Green tickY
6 Images
  • 'Daniel in the Lion's Den c1615 Peter Paul Rubens' requires a US copyright tag.
  • Green tickY
  • 'Dying Alexander-Uffizi.1' is incorrectly licensed.
  • Green tickY
  • 'Cornelis Cort, da Girolomo Muziano, San Girolamo' requires a US copyright tag.
  • Green tickY
  • 'Peter Paul Rubens 077' requires a US copyright tag.
  • Green tickY

An interesting article to read. I will be reading up to see if if other sources of information are available, and will add comments if needs be. In the meantime, please go ahead with addressing the above comments, I will cross them out when they appear to be sorted (please add a Green tickY), and add a small cross (Red XN) if there is still an issue. No rush as it's Christmas... Amitchell125 (talk) 11:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already did the lead. Which one you prefer? i complete all section or do it one by one? Agus Damanik (talk) 09:29, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Agus Damanik - do as much as you can with all the remaining comments, please. Amitchell125 (talk) 13:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
got it Agus Damanik (talk) 14:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Agus Damanik @Amitchell125 Did some of the repetitive text, wikilinks, and convert. Check my 2 recent edits so you can strike them out. RFNirmala (talk) 05:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RFNirmala thanks for the help Agus Damanik (talk) 19:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above issues have been addressed. I now need to go through the article again to check the prose. If you don't mind I will sort out any minor issues myself, please revert if I make an error. Amitchell125 (talk) 14:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please do..thank's for your hard work reviewing mine Agus Damanik (talk) 03:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.