Talk:County of Flanders

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Cities like Tournai and Namur were also part of the County, weren't they? Santori (talk) 21:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Charles the Bald, Holy Roman Emperor

As far as I remember Charles the Bald has never been Holy Roman Emperor but King of France. His brothers was (Lothar and the Louis the German) were Western Emperor but not Charles proper. I'm editing this now Matthieu (talk) 10:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

This article needs a serious cleanup, most of it don't even relate to the county lifespam. Hóseás (talk) 12:02, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rulers?

The first counties of flanders were margraves actually. The article should stats that. Bertdrunk (talk) 02:32, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No one? Bertdrunk (talk) 11:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's right, will try to change that. AdjectivesAreBad (talk) 22:40, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Tournai part of Flanders!

Hello, I notice that on the map (sitatued in 1350) Tournai is an independent area. However, that is not correct. Tournai formed a castellany (administrative area) within the county of Flanders. Tournai only became independent after the annexation of France in the 18th century.

Here, a historical map of Blaeu in 1648 in which Tournai is situated as "Gallo Flandria in qua Castellaniae" roughly translated "a castellany in Walloon Flanders" On all other historical maps between 1100-1700, Tournai is part of Flanders. Could this map be renewed? Tomaatje12 (talk) 12:46, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Magraviate of Ename?

The infobox shows a 'Preceded by' of 'Magraviate of Ename'. Besides the spelling mistake which should have this a 'Margraviate', I can find no information on a Margraviate or Margrave of Ename. The link for it goes to an article on the Belgian village of Ename (which I cannot find any information suggesting it had a Margrave). Looking at the information on this page under the History tab, the section on 'Growth in the 9th to the 11th centuries (864-1071)' shows that the county of Flanders originated from the Gau or Pagus Flandrensis. It then follows this up with the first Margrave (Count) of Flanders being Baldwin I.

As Baldwin I was the first Margrave of Flanders from 860-862 before becoming Count of Flanders, and before that there was a Gau/Pagus in the Flanders area (these two terms would have last been used by the Carolingians), I would say that preceding the Margraviate/County of Flanders was The Pagus/Gau Flandrensis which was a Pagus Flandrensis in 745 according to this page as well. I can see no information regarding Ename being a Margraviate, but was a village in the area of Flanders that would have been covered by the Margraviate of Flanders. I can find no information suggesting that the area of Flanders was split into smaller margraviates between the Carolingians and the Margraviate of Flanders.

Is it possible for more information around any 'Margraviate of Ename' to be provided or to consider changing to Pagus Flandrensis or Gau Flandrensis? Pete4131 (talk) 13:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Margraviate of Ename existed (Markgraafschap Ename, also known as Rijks-Vlaanderen or as part of Rijks-Vlaanderen together with Aalst), and it didn't really preceed the County of Flanders, it was the part of the county of Flanders which was part of the Holy Roman Empire (hence "Rijks"-Vlaanderen, Rijks = Reich/Empire). See for example this book among many others. So it existed, it was a margraviate, but it's not really a predecessor of the county, more a later expansion. Fram (talk) 14:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ename was important when it was built to confront Flanders. After Flanders took it over, it became less important, which is why it is not so well known. Originally Margraviates were typically seems as being on a border (mark/ march). --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 15:42, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]