Talk:Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe

Addition of the defenders saga characters

Now that the defenders saga is officially canon, should be considered the addition of the characters of those series in the list? I leave the topic on the table. Merlyn26 (talk) 06:43, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Defenders, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Runaways, etc. were always canon. The only reason they were excluded from this list was because most of the Marvel Television series already have standalone character pages, e.g. List of Daredevil (TV series) characters. It's also for simplicity and length reasons. There is currently a "Marvel Television" section on the main Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe page. InfiniteNexus (talk) 07:07, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

I concur with Infinite. It would be unnecessary duplication of content. Trailblazer101 (talk) 08:36, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Well if the problem is duplication, then those lists can be redirected after the content is merged. Regarding the question though, if the new Daredevil series does indeed use characters from the previous series and does not set the Netflix shows in an alt universe (I know they said they aren't, but until I actually see the connection I personally don't believe it), I'd be in support of such a merge. Having scattered parts of plot across different articles is just stupid and makes it harder for readers to actually find information. Gonnym (talk) 10:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

It's better to have dedicated lists for the Marvel Television series characters than trying to merge those into this article, thus making it longer than it needs to be. They are already structured in a way that would make it difficult to navigate an excessive amount of content if we were to merge them. As long as there is enough navigation and redirects pointing to the right articles and sections (especially with the sections for returning Daredevil and other Marvel Television characters in Marvel Studios projects, which the main characters lists specifically cover), there should be no issue in readers finding the right information on these characters. We don't want to have these articles becoming too long. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:13, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Currently a reader trying to find information on Foggy Nelson (Marvel Cinematic Universe) will have a complicated time getting a complete overview of that character. Foggy Nelson#Marvel Cinematic Universe has much more information. However, sending our readers there is admitting that List of Daredevil (TV series) characters failed at its sole purpose (which it does). List of characters articles are good when the series is a self contained unit, not when it's part of a greater franchise with interconnected storylines.

A list article like this, while long, does exactly what List of Daredevil (TV series) characters fails to do. It presents the entire topic in one location without the reader needing to go look in 2 or more other places (for Foggy that is 4 MCU pages). Gonnym (talk) 21:12, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't follow this page so wasn't aware of this discussion, but I think it makes sense to be talking about it. Things are definitely messy with the separate lists for Daredevil and Born Again, not to mention the other Marvel Netflix series. Having also just looked at Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: A–L and Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: M–Z properly for the first time, I think a lot of improvements could be made. I would point out that the list of characters for each TV series, such as List of Daredevil (TV series) characters, are just a split-out version of that series' "Cast and characters" section. They are equivalent to the cast section in a film article. If we decided to split-out the cast section at Avengers: Infinity War to its own expanded List of Avengers: Infinity War characters then that would have no impact on the MCU character lists / standalone character articles, it would just be a place for more details on the characters as they are presented in Infinity War.

My feeling is that we should probably be adding characters from the TV shows to the MCU character lists / making standalone character articles for them based on the same criteria as we would for characters from the films. As for articles like "List of Daredevil (TV series) characters", those should stay specific to their own show and if that means removing details / cutting them down, they could always be merged back into their series articles. Rather than linking Foggy Nelson (Marvel Cinematic Universe), for example, straight to "List of Daredevil (TV series) characters" which is just about his role in that show, I would expect "Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: M–Z" to link to all five of the series that he appears in. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:22, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Kang’s future

Kang may be kept according to this article here on CBR. The source for them is via Twitter/X account of Deadline reporter Justin Kroll. Should that be referenced? 0Detail-Attention215 (talk) 18:45, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Features of the Marvel Cinematic Universe for deletion

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InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:13, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Last Name Basis

I know this might have been brought up before, but why are we using last name basis with these characters? I get that somehow people agreed on this but at this point there are way too many exceptions and stuff. Like for instance I understand some characters are referred to in the movies by both their first and last name (EX: Tony Stark, Bruce Banner), and others are referred to by just their last name (Trevor Slattery, Helmut Zemo), but then some characters are referred to mainly by first name (EX: Peter Parker). It's also kinda weird how we have a policy for referring to Liz, MJ and Ned by first name but not like the other characters who are mainly called by first name in the movies. Just a little thought. HiGuys69420 (talk) 20:43, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Please refer to WP:MCU#Miscellaneous and raise concerns for general discussion at WT:MCU, rather than at individual articles. The common name of characters has been held as precedent in some cases, but not all. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:54, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

ok thanks for clarifying =) HiGuys69420 (talk) 23:14, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Split again

Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: A–L is now 218k, and Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: M–Z is 260k, with only more expansion to be expected. I would suggest preempting the inevitable, and further splitting each of these pages in half again now. BD2412 T 19:40, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Before we take that step, I think it would be more useful to reduce the size of the articles by getting rid of unsourced plot details and other information that is just duplicated from film and TV articles. This really isn't the place to be doing either of those things. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:08, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Any editor can do that, but it's just rearranging deck chairs. The studio continues to debut new properties, each introducing its own slew of characters. BD2412 T 16:09, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

I think minor characters should be removed from these lists. This should be reserved for notable characters, not just everyone who has appeared. Again, this is not a fan wiki. Do we also really need a whole barren section for characters like Cameron Klein or Krugarr or Liz? Or a section with lots of plot for someone WP:RECENT like Tombstone? I don't think so. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:43, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

My feeling is that these pages should primarily be pointing readers to the most appropriate location for information on a given character, so each entry just needs the character name, actor(s), maybe a brief description for context, and then links to an individual character page (if there is one), a comics page (if there is one), and which project pages (film, TV, etc.) have details on that character. That way we avoid having unsourced plot details and repeated information that has just been copied from other places. If a character only appears in one project then there is definitely no need to have an expanded section on them when all the details are already in one place. And if a character isn't noteworthy enough for their own article it should be fine to just link to the projects they have appeared in. This ties into my thoughts in the "Addition of the defenders saga characters" section above, where we talked about adding the Marvel Netflix characters to this list. My feeling is that this would be useful, particularly for those characters who appear in multiple shows as that would create a single place which links to all the relevant articles without duplicating the content for their role in each series. - adamstom97 (talk) 17:19, 7 May 2025 (UTC)