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Irrelevant source.

The first source referenced after the below sentence is irrelevant to what the sentence is claiming:

Indigenous groups and academics have dismissed claims of a "mass grave hoax", saying that claimed discoveries of mass graves were present in a minority of stories published by mainstream media and that there had been public misinterpretation of what had actually been announced in 2021. [1][2] 24.126.11.88 (talk) 01:04, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No it is not. Simonm223 (talk) 01:30, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It says nothing about a "mass grave hoax". 24.126.11.88 (talk) 01:32, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

here's an overview that's a few years old. Moxy🍁 02:06, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I know. That's the second source, which I included in my comment and which is clearly relevant. I'm referring to the first source, however, which is not relevant since it's talking about a completely different subject. 24.126.11.88 (talk) 02:19, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification: This is the source I'm referring to, which clearly has nothing to do with the sentence citing it. I don't see how this is even up for debate. 24.126.11.88 (talk) 02:22, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@24.126.11.88 I think it is an exaggeration to say that the source clearly had nothing to do with the sentence citing it. The CBC article contains the following:

Since findings from Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc were leaked in May 2021, the community and others have faced an outpouring of denialism from some Canadians and media outlets. A May 2022 New York Post headline called the suspected unmarked graves the "biggest fake news story in Canada."

As I understand it, this supports the article text that there had been public misinterpretation of what had actually been announced in 2021. Newimpartial (talk) 20:51, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hashed out at length?

@Pbritti: can you show me where each of those issues has been hashed out at length on this talk page? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:32, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The archives are linked above. That settler colonialism is explicitly mentioned appears to align with prior consensuses. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:41, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that settler colonialism should be in there and that Catholic is redundant (heck Christian kind of is too, church would probably do), I just don't see anything in the archives about it. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:08, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Horse Eye's Back have a gander at:

We've all had more excitement than anyone wanted. TarnishedPath^talk 08:19, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed all that but I'm still not seeing where these specific issues were hashed out... The issues being argued over seem to have been different, for example when "settler society" was being argued over it was at the end of the sentence and better contextualized as "white settler society." The given source seems to support "however the real number could be much higher" but also appears to be an opinion piece so I would be surprised if there is consensus to use it in the lead like that. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:02, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As linked above, this has been discussed. If you want to overturn the previous consensus, please provide your suggested changes and rationale and we can discuss here. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:35, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Horse Eye's Back pay some attention to @Moxy's comments and edits around that time.

In response to the now banned editors arguments to add "and society" onto the end of "... Euro-Canadian culture" I had argued that on the basis of my source analysis that the end of that sentence should be replaced with "... white settler society". Moxy suggested compromise wording which is the quo. You may have noticed my repeating myself a couple of times about exactly who was supporting Moxy's compromise in the face of the banned editor incorrectly claiming that they had consensus.

That said if you think my previous suggestion of "... white settler society" at the end of that sentence is the best then it's a discussion which could be had". TarnishedPath^talk 21:18, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what's being argued here.....but "The term white settler society (is something you'll find in old references) refers to a group of societies that sprang up as a result of the great European expansion into other regions of the globe from the late fifteenth century onward"... We should make it clear to our readers that these people came from Europe ( European colonial settlers - the modern term used by academics to clarify where this heritage comes from)... not white people from let's say the United States or the Mediterranean. Moxy🍁 21:47, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Moxy for context, HEB started this thread in relation to an edit summary used by Pbritti. Have a gander at the edit history of the article. TarnishedPath^talk 22:07, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]