Talk:Before and After (Rush song)/GA1
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Nominator: HumanxAnthro (talk · contribs) 01:55, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:21, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- It is reasonably well written.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a. (reference section):
- b. (citations to reliable sources):
- c. (OR):
- d. (copyvio and plagiarism):
- a. (reference section):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a. (major aspects):
- b. (focused):
- a. (major aspects):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
- b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
- Overall:
- Pass/fail:
- Pass/fail:
(Criteria marked 
are unassessed)
After passing your two GAs, here is another review! --K. Peake 08:21, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
Infobox and lead
[edit]- Change the genre from folk rock to simply folk in the infobox, especially with the prose specifying it is classed as a non-rocker
- The non-rocker description is in quotes because it is not meant to be interpreted literally as the song not being rock. What the journalist intended was that it was not a loud head-banging party song the way the rest of the album was, but obviously there is plenty of rock music that is not like that. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:18, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- With that said, another user changed it to folk rock assuming the entire song was rock, so you are right to suggest this. Fixed. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:19, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- For the credits written completely in the infobox, you need to add a credits and personnel section in the article before the notes section
- Didn't realize that I did not have that section. Thanks! User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- The exact release date of the album and the song's position is not notable for the lead; instead, the first sentence should mention at the end it is from their self-titled debut album (1974)
- "it was composed by" → "the suite was composed by"
- "Lee wrote the lyrics." → "with Lee writing the lyrics."
- I have no idea what user rewrote it like that, but thanks for catching that. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:37, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- "It is their first" → "It is the band's first"
- I just combined both sentences
- It is not mentioned in the prose nor on the note that the song was their actual first multi-part
- Usually baseline facts like this are not brought up again in later sections in articles in general. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:37, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- To make the two paragraphs more balanced in size, move the first two sentences of the second one to the end of the first para
- It would be extremely odd to have summaries of the two parts split up like this. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:37, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- "of the other tracks." → "of the album's other tracks."
- "of the band's output" → "of Rush's output"
- "Ultimate Classic Rock 129th." → "while Ultimate Classic Rock placed it 129th."
Background
[edit]- Remove overly obvious wikilink on Toronto
- Would it be more suited to write "on site" instead of "on the spot"?
- Oh, never thought of that phrase. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:40, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- "was supposed to submit them," → "was supposed to submit," because this is implied by you having already used* them earlier in this sentence
- Oh, good catch! User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:40, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- Link overdubs to Overdubbing
- Invoke the liner notes at the end of the very last sentence
Parts
[edit]- Since this is similar to a track listing, shouldn't it be the section after reception and legacy?
- This is how other articles on the Rush suites are formatted, and listing movements of a song is not exactly the same as a tracklist, even though the same template is used. I do not think there is an widely-established precedent for movement lists, though, so I'm open to doing this. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:42, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
Composition
[edit]- Retitle to composition and lyrics
- I just split the section User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:47, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- Audio sample looks good!
- To avoid using so many quote marks, could you re-word non-rocker to non-rock number?
- No, because its not a literal description. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:47, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- "before the electric guitar gets louder" → "The electric guitar then gets louder" as a new sentence to avoid a run-on
- I just removed "transitioning into the next section"
- "aggressive and anthemic" → "aggressive, and anthemic"
- Wikilink tempo
- Shouldn't alla breve be italicised?
- If MOS says to italicize time signature terminology, sure. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:47, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- Link heartbreak to Broken heart
- Ooooh, did not know this was an article. Good comment! User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:48, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- "and where Rush were opening acts." does not read clearly right now – please re-contextualise to show whether you mean Rush were opening acts at this time or opening acts for those groups
- Re-written. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:51, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- "seen in other of the band's early songs" → "seen in the band's other early songs"
- Recorded for Fly By Night is not sourced
- I just removed this. It is a track on the album though, so I do not see why there would need to be a source for this. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:51, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
Reception and legacy
[edit]- Img looks good!
- Mentioning Rush critical reception with a link and all that detail feels trivial; re-word the first sentence about this suite to "Despite favorable reviews of Rush, discussion of "Before" and "After..."
- I just removed the first sentence. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:54, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- "Thrillist 35 out of all" → "while Thrillist placed the song 35 out of all"
- "of the group's output" → "of their output" to avoid using band/group too much
- "Alex Body and Ryan Reed" → "Alex Body, and Ryan Reed"
- Re-invoke [4] at the end of the sentences using direct quoting
- What? Last time I checked, you are only supposed to put citations every period specifically. The opinions are split by a comma, not a period. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:59, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- Are you sure the underscore is meant to kept from The Phoenician or if it's just how the name is stylized on the website?
- You can look at the article yourself. That really is how the author name is stylized. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:59, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- Ultimate Guitar should not be italicised
- Re-invoke [19] at the end of the sentences using direct quoting
- Starting the whole quote from "Alex Lifeson's guitar game" is too much; put some of this into your own words please
Notes
[edit]- Shouldn't note a invoke any relevant ref(s)?
- It's a baseline fact, kind of like Paris being the capital of France. Last time I check, stuff like this did not need a citation. Honestly, it is really pointless to have so I just removed it. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 15:04, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
Citations
[edit]- Copyvio score looks non existent at 2%!!!
- Wikilink HarperCollins on ref 1
- Wikilink Voyageur Press on ref 7 per MOS:LINK2SECT
- Cite Ultimate Guitar as publisher instead on ref 19
Final comments and verdict
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On hold until all of the issues are fixed; nice job with this one! --K. Peake 11:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- HumanxAnthro Regarding invoking the citations after direct quotes, I thought this was supposed to be done as there are speech marks so quotes should be sourced at the next piece of grammar. --K. Peake 10:56, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
- Eh, whatever. I put the citation near the comma. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 10:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- ✓ Pass now, I had been busy but got back you on this one in due time! --K. Peake 07:16, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Eh, whatever. I put the citation near the comma. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 10:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- HumanxAnthro Regarding invoking the citations after direct quotes, I thought this was supposed to be done as there are speech marks so quotes should be sourced at the next piece of grammar. --K. Peake 10:56, 10 April 2025 (UTC)