Talk:Battle of Khaybar

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date of the battle

the date of the battle is stated with 629

in the list of expeditions of Muhammad the date of this battle is mei/June 628 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad (Nr. 53) with this footnote:

Watt, W. Montgomery (1956). Muhammad at Medina. Oxford University Press. p. 2. ISBN 978-0195773071.

so what is the right date?

"to be exempted from military service"

Is that a euphemism for being prohibited from owning weapons, armor, mounts and learning and practicing fighting skills?

Throughout Islamic history, it was customary to uphold the laws of protected minorities and their ability to self govern and adjudicate. This meant to equal rights of self-defence.

The arabic word is dhimmi[[1]], which transliterates as "people obligated to protect" and insinuates holy decree which founded on the principles evidenced in the [peace and security treaty of Medina] as well as the [of Muhammad|Covenant of Mohammad] to the christians of Palestine.

Original primary sources?

Out of curiosity, what were the original primary or historical sources for the information we have on this battle? Does the Quran or certain hadiths talk about it? I presume that the information must've been originally from Muslim sources. Thanks. Brasswatchman (talk) 21:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As far of what is known, it is primarily arabian sources (pagan, muslim, jewish, or otherwise). However, there are non-arabic sources but they are primarily reinaissance reinterpretations of established record but portrayed as original despite the fact as well as with an impose euro-patriarchal voice (bias). These writings weren't challenged by modern (1600–1900A.D) era historians but adopted and built upon and thus persisting in the contemporary era (1900AD and forward). Bro The Man (talk) 09:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In a general sense, it is good to be skeptical of information you read, but one should not automatically assign "good-vs-bad" based on labels.

The general assumption that all people aim for peace is a valid instinct but it's important to note that this does not form a paradox nor conflict with the human drive of self-preservation when perceiving existential crisis.

Or worse, when perceived existential crisis is tied to the philosophy of expansionist conquest in the case of Roman Empire and its influence on the modern European identity which continues to inform contemporary Europe, its foreign Policy, and their refusal to apologise nor recompense their victims. Bro The Man (talk) 10:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marhab

he was a strong fighter but was killed by Hazrat Ali (R.A) and this event led to the defeat of the jews in the Khyber Expedition 2400:ADC5:103:AB00:9979:8BE5:87D2:E9CD (talk) 12:55, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]