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Dipal Chandra Barua is Buddhist.

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2018

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Could somebody please remove "Tibeto-Burman" from the introduction? The sources do not confirm that information and the edit was made by a sockpuppet user (Bishu Saikia (talk · contribs)) 121.219.239.73 (talk) 05:48, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is how the opening sentence should look like:

Barua (Bengali: বড়ুয়া Boṛua, Arakanese: မရမာကြီး) is a distinct Bengali-speaking Indo-Aryan ethno-religious minority group native to Chittagong Division in Bangladesh, Rakhine State in Myanmar, where they are known as the Maramagyi or Maramagri, and parts of Tripura in northeast India.

Done Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me • my contributions) 12:47, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tradition

The Barua are the only remaining community of Indian Buddhists with historical connections to Nalanda, Vikramshila and Bodh Gaya in Eastern India where Buddhism survived even after the decline of the Mahaviharas. It is also true for the Newars of Nepal, however they speak a non-Indo-European language. I will gradually add informationMalaiya (talk) 01:08, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Language

Barua people of Bangladesh speak Chittagonian but relate to Bengali culture. It is a L1 language of most Barua people. It is not being accorded a separate language status because of socio-political reasons. I added the edit. Please don't delete it. 2409:4065:C38:8672:98C3:35E7:F31:82F8 (talk) 06:48, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Barua buddhists

"... the Barua Buddhists have lived there for five thousand years" How could it be when Buddism has only existed for 25 centuries, since Buddha lived in the 5 BCE? @ mirrordor Mirrordor (talk) 19:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some Barua Buddhist Trying Hard To proof themselves Marmagree.. They said Assamese Barua And we aren't same. Then how Arakani Barua's and Chitgonian Barua's are same. Like They are despreate 103.127.0.213 (talk) 04:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barua general

The Barua community is not classified under the Scheduled Castes (SC) or Scheduled Tribes (ST) categories in India.

The Barua community is an ethno-religious group found primarily in the Indian state of Assam. They are known for their contributions to Assamese culture, particularly in literature, music, and trade.

The Barua community is generally considered part of the broader category of "general caste" in India.

T he Barua community is not classified as Scheduled Tribes (ST) in India. They are considered part of the general caste category. Yehhwjwi (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barua is what?

Apart from the fact that many of the Baruas claim to be Bengalis, the physical structure of all the Baruas is not the same. Moreover, one cannot believe a legend that has lived for 5 thousand years.Moreover, if the Baruas of Assam are separated into Barua of Chittagong, why can't the Baruas of Arakan can't be separated from chittagonian Barua? সুকীতি (talk) 15:00, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2025

Could somebody please clearly mention in the introduction that barua buddhist could be non magh and also all barua buddhists are not under scheduled Tribe as you have mentioned this in the introduction?

In West Bengal (India), Barua Magh Buddhist Community is recognized as Scheduled Tribe (ST).

I shared the below details with the reference link^[1], I also stated as a summary below so that it would be helpful for you to articulate the same

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The Barua community in Tripura is not recognized as a Scheduled Tribe (ST). This determination stems from a ruling by the Gauhati High Court in the case of All Tripura Buddhist Association v. State of Tripura and Ors. The court concluded that members of the Barua community, despite their historical recognition as Scheduled Tribes, do not meet the criteria established under the relevant legal frameworks. Consequently, Barua Buddhists may also be classified as non-Magh, which further complicates their status within the tribal classification system.

The court's ruling emphasized that the Barua community does not possess the necessary attributes to be classified as part of the Magh tribe, which is recognized as a Scheduled Tribe in Tripura. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbarua01 (talk • contribs)

Tbarua01, thanks for your attention to detail here. The 2005 court case you've provided is a WP:PRIMARY source -- Wikipedia writes its articles based on secondary sources like scholarly articles, newspapers, and magazines. Can you provide a secondary source which clearly explains this court case and its relevance to the Barua people? (It doesn't have to be in English.) It would also be ideal to make sure the source is a more recent one, since legal rulings can change over 20 years. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 19:47, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LEvalyn, thanks for your reply. There is a case in 2018 where the same reference has been used by court, could you please have a look on it?

[1]https://indiankanoon.org/doc/173528831/

I hope this would be helpful for you.

Do let me know for any concern. 2406:B400:72:9E0E:9923:50D1:2AA6:5B80 (talk) 20:25, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's good to see some more recent information, but since this one is also a court case it is still a primary source and can't be used to add the information to the article. Basically, Wikipedia tries not to interpret and analyze things ourselves -- we let professional historians, scholars, analysis, journalists, etc, interpret things like court cases and write out explanations of them, and then we summarize what those secondary sources say. Please see if you can find a secondary source on this topic, such as a news article at the time of the case, for the article to be updated. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:44, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sharing some more insights on this via article link,

Key Snippet from this article(page 7):

"At present, the Barua community is classified as a Scheduled Tribe in West Bengal and hence can avail the benefits of reservation. They are not entitled to these benefits in Bangladesh and they are not treated as a Scheduled Tribe in Tripura either. This issue too plays a pivotal role in their reason to live in West Bengal.".

[2]https://www.arfjournals.com/image/catalog/Journals%20Papers/SAAN/2020/No%201%20(202)/7-APARNA%20CHATTERJEE.pdf

The intent is to share that all barua buddhists are not considered as ST.

Do let me know for any concern.

Thank you. 2406:B400:72:1DCC:85DE:7077:DBC6:C5D0 (talk) 18:41, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for finding this source -- a journal article like this is exactly what we are looking for. I added the clarification about Tripura as a footnote. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 21:17, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your efforts in maintaining the accuracy of this page. I would like to request that instead of adding this information as a footnote or citation, it be included directly in the introduction, alongside the mention of West Bengal ST. This placement is important because it impacts how users find and understand our presence when searching on platforms like Google and Gemini AI.

Since AI models and search engines prioritize introductory content for summarization, placing this detail in the introduction ensures better visibility in AI-generated responses and search results. I believe this enhances clarity for readers and aligns with the intended purpose of the information.

Thank you for considering this request.

Looking forward to your response. 2406:B400:72:1DCC:C4A6:7D1:3890:996 (talk) 02:39, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is clearly denoted that Barua Maghs are considered as Scheduled Tribe in West Bengal. The West Bengal Government, the Indian Government, West Bengal High Court and people of West Bengal consider the Barua Magh Buddhist people as Scheduled tribe. However there is no mention of Tripura anywhere. Nor is this wikipedia page claiming the baruas of tripura as Scheduled tribe. Scheduled tribe of a State in India is decided by the respective State Governments. How is a decision taken by Tripura High Court relevant in the list of Scheduled Tribes of West Bengal? Tripura and West Bengal are completely different states, they do not even share border. This article is giving the information as it is accepted by the West Bengal Government, Indian Government and Myanmar Government. The Aparna Chatterjee article which you have mentioned also states the fact that barua maghs are accepted as Scheduled Tribe in West Bengal. Truthteller065 (talk) 09:01, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.casemine.com/judgement/in/56b49489607dba348f00d0b2/amp

[1] ttps://www.casemine.com/judgement/in/56b49489607dba348f00d0b2/amp

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