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Bangladesh Hindu Buddhist Christian Unity Council labeled 23 deaths as communal. The claim was refuted by Chief adviser’s deputy press secretary, Abul Kalam Azad Majumder.[1] But some editors are trying to place that here as truth. Beylarbey (talk) 08:38, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Beylarbey Bangladesh Hindu Buddhist Christian Unity Council or the chief adviser’s deputy press secretary—neither of them is a news outlet. So we cannot present either as fact.
What we can write is: According to the Bangladesh Hindu Buddhist Christian Unity Council, 23 Hindus were killed due to communal reasons. However, the chief adviser’s deputy press secretary has claimed that they were not killed for communal reasons.
In this way, we have to mention “so-and-so claimed,” because both are claims. We can only present news from well-established newspapers as facts.
You yourself is a contradictory. You are saying that Chief advisor's press briefing is just a claim. So we can't add it. Now you are also saying BHBCUC's claim is also a claim. If it was really a claim then why did you add it before? You added it because BHBCUC's false claim was copied and published by some Indian media. So it became established truth. After BHBCUC communal claim was refuted now you are trying to change the narrative to “According to the Bangladesh Hindu Buddhist Christian Unity Council, 23 Hindus were killed due to communal reasons. However, the chief adviser’s deputy press secretary has claimed that they were not killed for communal reasons.”
If you wanna change it then change that particular section. Why are you removing the entire Disinformation section? Since you are removing that then don't add Indian parliament claim of 23 deaths as communal deaths. Also rape of a woman is also written as minority persecution as if it was related to communal violence. Beylarbey (talk) 11:35, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn’t say that you cannot add the Chief Advisor’s press briefing. Of course, you can add the Chief Advisor’s press claims. To make the article neutral, we can include every notable claim.
I have never added anything to this article—that is, I have never edited it before. If BHBCUC or the Chief Advisor’s press briefing is included, it must be cited as “According to BHBCUC” or “According to the Chief Advisor’s press briefing.”
But when you present something as a fact, you must use well-established independent media. I removed the disinformation section you added because you copied and pasted it from another article. Moreover, there you presented the Chief Advisor’s press claims as facts.
Claims made by the government or the police cannot be presented as facts; only information published in reputable independent media articles can be treated as fact.
Chief Advisor's press briefing based on police report can't be treated as facts. So can't be BHBCUC's claims. But it was included as pure facts. Even Indian parliament claim based on BHBCUC claim are also included as pure fact. And disinformation section isn't completely copy pasted from other Wikipedia article. Look carefully again. The same things may not needed to be included. But entire Disinformation section can't be removed. It would be biased. Beylarbey (talk) 11:56, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Chief Advisor's press briefing based on police report can't be treated as facts. So can't be BHBCUC's claims. But it was included as pure facts." - If any editor has written it like this, then of course you can write the police, the Chief Advisor's press briefing, and BHBCUC's claims as 'according to'
Even though the disinformation section wasn’t entirely copied, you’ve added almost the entire thing in a way that looks like that article, and by writing the Chief Advisor's press briefing as fact, you’ve tried to disprove BHBCUC’s claim. However, media outlets like BBC Verify, DW, VOA, France 24 have identified several pieces of disinformation published on Indian social media. You can include those if you want. I can help you with that.
However, removing the disinformation section altogether wouldn’t make it biased, because disinformation can spread when an incident occurs, and the media identifies them. For example, there are thousands of articles like Russia-Ukraine war and others on Wikipedia, and none of them have a disinformation section. Still, you can add it if you want, keeping WP:NOTNEWS in mind. Somajyoti✉12:19, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
