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Section size for Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election (85 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	45,967	45,967
Background	132	20,317
Trump's 2012 accusations of electoral fraud	1,137	1,137
Uncertainty over Trump accepting an electoral loss in 2016	3,440	3,440
Uncertainty over Trump accepting an electoral loss in 2020	15,608	15,608
Refusal to accept 2020 electoral loss	160	73,105
Refusal to accept 2020 electoral loss by Donald Trump	63	25,945
Before results declared	7,594	7,594
After results declared	15,271	15,271
After leaving office	3,017	3,017
Refusal to accept 2020 electoral loss by Trump's allies and supporters	126	47,000
Stop the Steal	30,728	30,728
Conspiracy theories	16,146	16,146
November 2020	6,181	94,111
"Fake" electors	7,469	7,469
Lame duck firings and hirings	16,633	16,633
Lawsuits	5,948	5,948
Michigan officials pressured to not certify	9,410	9,410
Attempt to seize voting machines in Michigan	2,097	2,097
Georgia Secretary of State pressured to disqualify ballots	4,189	4,189
Wisconsin recount-obstruction	3,237	3,237
Partisan hearings with Republican legislatures	2,970	2,970
Conspiracy allegations	25,543	25,543
Threats of violence by Trump supporters	10,434	10,434
December 2020	6,951	76,427
Trump's attempt to pressure state officials	12,110	12,110
Supreme Court petitions	8,327	8,327
Consideration of special counsel and martial law	14,535	14,535
Planning for Congress to overturn the election on January 6	2,422	2,422
Pressure on Pence	1,224	15,972
"Pence Card" theory	10,272	10,272
December timeline	4,476	4,476
Pressure on Justice Department	5,777	5,777
Pressure on Defense Department	3,870	3,870
Plan to seize voting machines	3,630	3,630
Ellis memos	1,717	1,717
Plan to obtain National Security Agency data	1,116	1,116
January 2021	7,237	73,585
Gohmert v. Pence	4,973	4,973
Calls with state officials	15,759	15,759
Justice Department pressured and efforts made to replace acting attorney general	6,960	6,960
Preparations by chief of staff	4,147	4,147
More pressure on Pence	8,168	8,168
January 6 joint session	90	10,799
Senate efforts	8,616	8,616
House votes	1,067	1,067
Report by Rep. Zoe Lofgren	1,026	1,026
Capitol attack	11,285	11,285
Trump operatives breach Coffee County, Georgia election system	1,940	1,940
Lindell memo	2,317	2,317
Later developments	26	64,128
Taxpayer costs	742	742
Security concerns over March 4, 2021	1,592	1,592
Election audits	2,651	34,236
Arizona	8,260	8,260
Georgia	4,104	4,104
Idaho	2,080	2,080
Pennsylvania	6,367	6,367
Texas	3,140	3,140
Wisconsin	7,634	7,634
Mike Lindell reinstatement prediction	1,526	1,526
Senate Judiciary Committee report	750	750
Election law reform efforts	1,873	1,873
Post-election voter restriction efforts by Republicans	195	195
Impact on secretaries of state	981	981
House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack	4,243	4,243
2021 German federal election	1,623	1,623
Justice Department investigations	1,462	1,462
Civil lawsuits	554	554
Continuing subversion efforts and 2024 predictions	11,110	11,110
Post-election allegations of statistical improbabilities	3,215	3,215
Reactions	16	54,506
Republican critiques of the "big lie"	1,879	22,549
Administration dissenters	1,833	1,833
Consistent critics	5,064	5,064
Others	13,773	13,773
Description as attempted coup	39	21,835
Before the Capitol attack	14,353	14,353
During or after the Capitol attack	7,443	7,443
"Trump won" and "big lie"	6,159	6,159
Corporate reactions	3,947	3,947
See also	542	542
Notes	138	138
References	30	30
External links	3,944	3,944
Total	506,800	506,800

The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

Eggers, Andrew C.; Garro, Haritz; Grimmer, Justin (2021-11-09). "No evidence for systematic voter fraud: A guide to statistical claims about the 2020 election". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. Retrieved 2021-11-16.
House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack's Presentation Outline

Trump reportedly wanted to join the rioters

I don't think we have sufficiently weighty RSs to add this to the article, but its in the media and I wanted to note them for followup later. Politico had this scoop,^[1] which has spawned (of course) a cascade of other media stories based on the original Politco piece. Apparently a secret service agent, Trumps lead guy, gave closed (not public testimony). The committee hasn't disclosed it. So what we have here is he said..... he heard it from a friend.....that the other person told a bunch of people..... stuff (Politico heard it from a source that the agent testified to the panel.) This is why I don't think the report has enough WEIGHT to be added to the article. But it sure is interesting. Even as the violence was happening, Trump was tryhing to talk his detail into taking him down to the capitol. Instead they took him to the White House. At least, if the report is accurate.

Imagine if Secret Service had really taken Pence to Andrews and Trump got to the capitol.....

Anyway, the other part of this story that we might be able to use if the committee discloses the agent's testimony is commentary from Professor Ruth Ben-Ghiat, who studies fascism and coups, and opined that "“If you’re having a coup and summoned everybody, and aim to be anointed as the head of a new illegitimate government, you have to be there,” I'm sure there's a weightier RS than HuffPost but for now, ^[2]

References

^ Swan, Betsy Woodruff. "Trump privately raised Jan. 6 Capitol appearance with Secret Service agent, select panel hears". POLITICO.
^ "Trump Botched His 'Coup' By Not Marching To Capitol Jan. 6, Says Expert On Autocrats". HuffPost. 12 June 2022.

Addition of a hatnote

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I want the following hatnote template to be added at the top of the "Stop the Steal" section of this article:

{{Redirect|Stop the Steal|text=The "Stop the Steal" slogan is also used by South Korean far-right conspiracy theorists who claim there were electoral frauds in the country's legislative elections in [[2020 South Korean legislative election|2020]] and [[2024 South Korean legislative election|2024]]}}

--211.211.103.157 (talk) 09:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source? Slatersteven (talk) 10:01, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

--211.211.103.157 (talk) 06:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be sourced, however, this might be better as a see also. Slatersteven (talk) 11:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: The redirect template is if the phrase that is sending people here might be looking for a different article. But there is nothing in either the 2020 or 2024 election articles about the phrase. So without a discussion about Stop the Steal at those articles, we wouldn't want to redirect someone searching for stop the steal to those articles. If a discussion gets added to those articles (or you can point me to one there now that I missed), we can add the redirect here at that point. meamemg (talk) 14:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, how about:

{{Redirect|Stop the Steal|the South Korean far-right protestors who used the same slogan|Impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol#Popular reactions}}

--211.211.103.157 (talk) 07:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Based on that article, it seems like that is another use of the same slogan, since they are referencing Trump according to the Impeachment article. It's not a different use of the same words. I'd agree with @Slatersteven that it's probably better as a see-also. But I'll leave the request open in case someone else has a different opinion. meamemg (talk) 14:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Not sure how good it would be as a "See also" for the entire article. AlphaBetaGamma (Talk/report any mistakes here) 00:11, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Swan, Betsy Woodruff. "Trump privately raised Jan. 6 Capitol appearance with Secret Service agent, select panel hears". POLITICO.

[2] "Trump Botched His 'Coup' By Not Marching To Capitol Jan. 6, Says Expert On Autocrats". HuffPost. 12 June 2022.

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