Talk:Ansgar the Staller

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A fact from Ansgar the Staller appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 April 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Ansgar the Staller was severely injured at the Battle of Hastings, but was carried to London where he then led the English defence at the Burning of Southwark?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ansgar the Staller.

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I've put No for Checklist points 1 & 2;

References; as elsewhere, overly reliant on outdated Sources; and

Complete; one of the most senior nobles in Anglo-Saxon England, but barely any mention of the power struggles around Edward, or after the death of Harold. I guarantee there's more here, and crucial to understanding his significance.

On the automated assessment, that makes it Start. Robinvp11 (talk) 19:18, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review Robinvp11 and for your improvements to the article. I am afraid the era is not one of my interests and I have very little in my library to refer to - hence the reliance on PD books from Google. Hopefully somebody with more expertise in this area will pick it up and add the detail - Dumelow (talk) 07:23, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dumelow: Happy to finish it off, but you're missing the point.

The era is not one of my interests and I have very little in my library; both of these also apply to me. All of this information was acquired in 90 minutes; all of it on-line. Curiosity, and knowing where to look (the Infobox) is more important than expertise per se.

Robinvp11 (talk) 14:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resubmitted for B. Robinvp11 (talk) 04:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Open Domesday References

Is Ansgar the Staller the same individual as Esger the constable and in the Greenford entry? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sciencefish (talk • contribs) 23:16, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Probably :) see this link https://www.sbwhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Asgar-the-Staller-first-known-Lord-of-Sawbridgeworth.pdf Robinvp11 (talk) 18:50, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Æthelstan and citation accuracy?

I'm trying to verify some of the citations in this article about the claim that Ansgar's father was named Athelstan/Æthelstan. Page 420 of the Frank M Stenton book Anglo-Saxon England (1971) doesn't discuss Athelstan/Æthelstan despite the fact that that page is cited to support the sentence "His father Athelstan, thought to have been born before 1020, died sometime after 1045, served his son, Harthacnut, who formally succeeded his father as King of Denmark and England in 1035" (currently citation #5). Also, citation #6 is the article by Frank Barlow (https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/8516), which also doesn't include the name Athelstan/Æthelstan anywhere in the text despite the fact that it's used to support a sentence about Athelstan/Æthelstan. What is the source that certifies that the father of Ansgar the Staller was named Athelstan/Æthelstan? Tracklan2 (talk) 20:34, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can see in the history it was originally cited to Freeman, Edward Augustus (1870). The reign of Eadward the Confessor. 2d ed., rev. 1870. Clarendon Press. p. 440.. Whether later scholarship supports this, I couldn't say - Dumelow (talk) 21:45, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]