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Updated revenue numbers

An impartial editor has reviewed the proposed edit(s) and asked the editor with a conflict of interest to go ahead and make the suggested changes.

Hi editors, for my next request, I propose updating the introduction with more current revenue and disbursement numbers:

The updated text looks like the following:

In 2024, ASCAP collected approximately US$1.84 billion in revenue, distributed approximately US$1.7 billion in royalties to rightsholders, and maintained a registry of approximately 20 million works.^[5] ASCAP had approximately 900,000 members as of 2022.^[3]

References

^ "ASCAP Delivers Record-Setting Revenues and Distributions to Songwriters, Composers and Publishers For 2021". www.ascap.com. 2022-03-03. Archived from the original on 2022-03-06. Retrieved 2022-03-23.
^ Aswad, Jem (2022-03-01). "ASCAP Delivers Record Revenue of $1.3 Billion for 2021". Variety. Retrieved 2022-03-23.
^ ^a ^b ^c Aswad, Jem (2023-03-08). "ASCAP Posts Record $1.5 Billion in Revenue for 2022". Variety. Archived from the original on 2023-07-05. Retrieved 2023-09-09.
^ Aswad, Jem (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts Record-Breaking $1.835 Billion in Revenue for 2024". Variety. Retrieved May 15, 2025.
^ Aswad, Jem (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts Record-Breaking $1.835 Billion in Revenue for 2024". Variety. Retrieved May 15, 2025.

This provides the most recent revenue numbers and clarifies the timeline of membership a bit while making it less promotional. Please let me know what you think! @Closetside: would you have any interest in looking at this request as well? Stephanie BINK (talk) 17:47, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: The changes are not supported by neutral, independent, reliable sources. Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Needs more secondary. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 17:54, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Valorrr: The reliable sources list specifically lists Variety as a reliable source for entertainment trade topics, which this is. The Variety articles are also written by a staff reporter who is independent of the topic. Can you explain why Variety is not reliable? Reopening this request in the meantime so others can weigh in.

Hi editors, I propose updating the outdated introduction with more recent information cited to Variety and replacing the ASCAP source used.

The updated text looks like the following:

In 2024, ASCAP collected approximately US$1.84 billion in revenue, distributed approximately US$1.7 billion in royalties to rightsholders, and maintained a registry of approximately 20 million works.^[5] ASCAP had approximately 900,000 members as of 2022.^[3]

References

^ "ASCAP Delivers Record-Setting Revenues and Distributions to Songwriters, Composers and Publishers For 2021". www.ascap.com. 2022-03-03. Archived from the original on 2022-03-06. Retrieved 2022-03-23.
^ Aswad, Jem (2022-03-01). "ASCAP Delivers Record Revenue of $1.3 Billion for 2021". Variety. Retrieved 2022-03-23.
^ ^a ^b ^c Aswad, Jem (2023-03-08). "ASCAP Posts Record $1.5 Billion in Revenue for 2022". Variety. Archived from the original on 2023-07-05. Retrieved 2023-09-09.
^ Aswad, Jem (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts Record-Breaking $1.835 Billion in Revenue for 2024". Variety. Retrieved May 15, 2025.
^ Aswad, Jem (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts Record-Breaking $1.835 Billion in Revenue for 2024". Variety. Retrieved May 15, 2025.

Please let me know what you think. Stephanie BINK (talk) 18:31, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not just that, but as I stated;
Needs more secondary.
You're relying on one source, not other opinions, that's why. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 18:34, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALSO please stop copy and pasting that same COI Request, it floods the logs. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 18:34, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Valorrr: Thanks for your response. Is this reference sufficient?^[1]

References

^ Christman, Ed (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts 5.7% Revenue Growth, Distributes Nearly $1.7 Billion to Songwriters and Publishers". Billboard. Retrieved May 19, 2025.

Please let me know. Stephanie BINK (talk) 19:16, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 19:40, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Valorrr: Thanks! On a related note, what do you think about using this source to update the membership numbers in the following sentence, changing the sentence from:

ASCAP membership surpassed 900,000 and revenues exceeded $1.5 billion in 2022.

To:

The organization had approximately 1 million members as of 2024.^[1]

References

^ Paine, Andre (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP reports record-breaking results with revenues increase of 6%". MusicWeek. Retrieved May 21, 2025.

Please let me know! Stephanie BINK (talk) 20:51, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead Also love Tate Mcrae (Tatiana)... Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 14:12, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead: I have reviewed these proposed changes and suggest that you go ahead and make the proposed changes to the page. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 14:12, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tate is great! Thanks for reviewing. I've made the update. Cheers Stephanie BINK (talk) 15:53, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 July 2025

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American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers → ASCAP – Per MOS:ACRONYM, as sources mentioned in Google Ngram. Absolutiva 03:53, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[www.ascap.com_2021_fin_data-1] "ASCAP Delivers Record-Setting Revenues and Distributions to Songwriters, Composers and Publishers For 2021". www.ascap.com. 2022-03-03. Archived from the original on 2022-03-06. Retrieved 2022-03-23.

[Aswad_Aswad_2022-2] Aswad, Jem (2022-03-01). "ASCAP Delivers Record Revenue of $1.3 Billion for 2021". Variety. Retrieved 2022-03-23.

[Aswad_Aswad_2023_e712-3] Aswad, Jem (2023-03-08). "ASCAP Posts Record $1.5 Billion in Revenue for 2022". Variety. Archived from the original on 2023-07-05. Retrieved 2023-09-09.

[4] Aswad, Jem (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts Record-Breaking $1.835 Billion in Revenue for 2024". Variety. Retrieved May 15, 2025.

[5] Aswad, Jem (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts Record-Breaking $1.835 Billion in Revenue for 2024". Variety. Retrieved May 15, 2025.

[www.ascap.com_2021_fin_data-6] "ASCAP Delivers Record-Setting Revenues and Distributions to Songwriters, Composers and Publishers For 2021". www.ascap.com. 2022-03-03. Archived from the original on 2022-03-06. Retrieved 2022-03-23.

[Aswad_Aswad_2022-7] Aswad, Jem (2022-03-01). "ASCAP Delivers Record Revenue of $1.3 Billion for 2021". Variety. Retrieved 2022-03-23.

[Aswad_Aswad_2023_e712-8] Aswad, Jem (2023-03-08). "ASCAP Posts Record $1.5 Billion in Revenue for 2022". Variety. Archived from the original on 2023-07-05. Retrieved 2023-09-09.

[9] Aswad, Jem (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts Record-Breaking $1.835 Billion in Revenue for 2024". Variety. Retrieved May 15, 2025.

[10] Aswad, Jem (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts Record-Breaking $1.835 Billion in Revenue for 2024". Variety. Retrieved May 15, 2025.

[11] Christman, Ed (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts 5.7% Revenue Growth, Distributes Nearly $1.7 Billion to Songwriters and Publishers". Billboard. Retrieved May 19, 2025.

[12] Paine, Andre (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP reports record-breaking results with revenues increase of 6%". MusicWeek. Retrieved May 21, 2025.

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