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Move this article to "Alastor, the Radio Demon"

Given the unique identification of this character, I think it would be more sensible to include Alastor's title in the series as part of the article name as that remains one of his most distinctive features. It wouldn't detract from the article's contents and could help readers better identify the subject matter. Just Your Average Stellaron Hunter (talk) 03:57, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea to me. Blubewwy (talk) 12:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a move request. You're happy to participate in it. Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 01:05, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But, the characters, Hazbin Hotel itself, commonly just refer to Alastor as just Alastor. Alastor introduces himself as Alastor, and when another character addresses Alastor, they address him as... just Alastor. The Radio Demon is a nickname, second to his common name, Alastor. If readers were just looking for Alastor by searching 'Radio Demon,' that term would probably find itself more suited as a redirect, definitely consider creating that. I think the (Hazbin Hotel) identifier performs excellently enough for the purpose of identifiying him to readers. ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 13:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why the extended confirmed protection?

What exactly happened to warrant the Wikipedia article for Alastor getting this high level of protection? Was there an especially deadly edit war going on? Perhaps something entirely different? Please let me know, I'd love to get my hands on the lore behind the extended confirming of this article. Royz-vi Tsibele (talk) 05:38, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Royz-vi Tsibele I believe it is to prevent a person who tends to create a lot of sock puppet accounts from editing this page. Blubewwy (talk) 11:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where does he appear in "Die Young"?

The page lists his first appearance as the "Die Young" music video, I've watched the whole thing (pausing every time there's any background characters on screen) and I don't see him anywhere. For reference, I'm comparing him to this old drawing of his deer form, could someone point me to where he appears? The page citation is just a link to the YouTube vid. --Aabicus (talk) 18:37, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: As I can't find any online sources supporting the claim, I'll be removing it in 24 hours unless somebody posts it here.--Aabicus (talk) 02:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whoever initially created all these Hazbin articles seems very dedicated to hunting down the very earliest forms of some of the characters, as they occasionally appeared in ZooPhobia content as iterations barely recognizable as their current characters. A lot of it is really unneeded, in my own opinion. Blubewwy (talk) 12:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could an image be added to the article?

I can't since it has extended protection, it just feels somewhat empty without one FizzleDrunk (talk) 20:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It says here you can get permission yourself by making 500 edits elsewhere first. 199.127.61.137 (talk) 20:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know that, I have not made 500 edits to wikipedia FizzleDrunk (talk) 21:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right. But you can make 500 edits, like if you click your profile there is copyediting. 199.127.61.137 (talk) 01:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gaming the system just to get extended confirmed protection is not really a wise idea. Blubewwy (talk) 12:47, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FizzleDrunk There have been a lot of images of him floating in and out of the article. It seems to be some kind of copyright violation to have screenshots of him from the show in the article. Blubewwy (talk) 22:43, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources that may be of use to editors

These sources were posted by an IP editor in the now-closed AfD: [1] [2] [3] [4] StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 01:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amir Talai

Why is Amir Talai, the voice actor, currently redirected to this page? Based on his work, he might meet the notability criteria under WP:ENT. Moreover, it appears his article was subject to a WP:SPEEDY deletion, as referenced in this archived page:[1]. What was the reasoning behind deciding to redirect rather than keep or restore the article? For reference, here’s a photograph of Amir Talai:

The 2017 deletion discussion ([2]) concluded with deletion due to a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources, as noted by several participants that he did fails to have met WP:NACTOR, and WP:GNG

However, considering this discussion occurred in 2017, could Amir Talai’s career since then warrant a re-evaluation? If additional reliable sources or notable work have surfaced, perhaps revisiting this topic would be appropriate. Issac I Navarro (talk) 16:38, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 April 2025

It has been proposed in this section that Alastor (Hazbin Hotel) be renamed and moved to Alastor the Radio Demon.

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Alastor (Hazbin Hotel) → Alastor the Radio Demon – WP:NATURAL. In most sources of this article, excluding the ones from Medrano herself, Alastor is almost always introduced with the added title of "The Radio Demon" when bringing up his character, not simply "Alastor" alone. I think moving it to this title would avoid using a parenthetical disambiguator and instead allow for a natural disambiguation using his most common alternative title. Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 09:11, 5 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 10:05, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Fictional characters, WikiProject Animation, WikiProject Television, and WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 10:05, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sapphirewhirlwind and @Blubewwy, I'll tag you both here cause you both seem interested Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 23:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Turtletennisfogwheat Honestly I don't really think it matters which way the article is named. I think "Alastor (Hazbin Hotel)" is more straighforward but "Alastor the Radio Demon" makes sense too considering he's introduced that way a lot in the show. I have no opinion on the matter. Blubewwy (talk) 00:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm mostly basing it off the way he's introduced and referred to in secondary sources. Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 01:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for tagging us. I agree with the move to "Alastor the Radio Demon" because it makes more sense in terms of his characterization. Also, the fact that he has his own Wikipedia page implies that his popularity as a character extends outside that of Hazbin Hotel to some degree. Just Your Average Stellaron Hunter (talk) 11:13, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On February 28, 2024, I wrote this to a similar discussion:

"But, the characters, Hazbin Hotel itself, commonly just refer to Alastor as just Alastor. Alastor introduces himself as Alastor, and when another character addresses Alastor, they address him as... just Alastor. The Radio Demon is a nickname, second to his common name, Alastor. If readers were just looking for Alastor by searching 'Radio Demon,' that term would probably find itself more suited as a redirect, definitely consider creating that. I think the (Hazbin Hotel) identifier performs excellently enough for the purpose of identifiying him to readers."

I stand by the contents of this message and elect that this article title still not be changed. ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 15:50, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, but your rationale takes into account the in-universe common name for Alastor, not the WP:COMMONNAME used by him in independent, out-of-universe, secondary sources. Basically all of the secondary sources introduce Alastor as "Alastor the Radio Demon". It never is just "Alastor" alone. Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 16:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The citation including a cast rundown does not use the honorific, nor does an interview with Talai's character. Even the episode review on an Alastor-focused episode does not make use of the title. What sources that focus on the character use the entire nickname, exactly? ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 17:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The cast rundown you linked did use the honorific ^[1], the Talai interview did mention the honorific next to his name^[2], and the review of the Alastor-focused episode is already under the impression that one is familiar with the show and therefore an introduction to the character would be unnecessary.

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^ "Alastor, also known as the Radio Demon"
^ "As Alastor/Radio Demon, he captures"

Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 01:23, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My point no longer stands. It is probably fine to move forward with the move, though my final reservation is that it would strike as less encyclopedic to me, that is probably just my preference. ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 14:11, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Alastor, also known as the Radio Demon"

[2] "As Alastor/Radio Demon, he captures"

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