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Myanmar Earthquake

Myanmar earthquake is currently a redirect to a 2011 earthquake. It probably should be made a disambiguation page. 123.205.19.162 (talk) 08:01, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't redirect to a 2011 earthquake, it points to List of earthquakes in Myanmar. AstrooKai (Talk) 08:11, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It now does, thank you very much. 123.205.19.162 (talk) 08:24, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done Imwin567 (talk)

Article name change to "2025 Myanmar earthquake"

Most of the media and sources are using the term "Myanmar earthquake" to indicate the event. With this, I think 2025 Myanmar earthquake could be a better WP:COMMONNAME instead of still keeping it as Sagaing. Imwin567 (talk) 10:24, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I guess but considering that mainly the regions of Sagaing and Mandalay are within the rupture zone, the title of 2025 Mandalay–Sagaing earthquake could also work, although considering how heavily affected nearby regions are too, either your name for the article or 2025 Upper Myanmar earthquake are more probable. Quake1234 (talk) 11:57, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Myanmar earthquake appears to be the more descriptive title and widely used in the media. "Mandalay, Burma Earthquake" has been adopted for the event title but the damage seems to be far beyond the city/administrative region. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 12:00, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The damage is far beyond to Thailand too. But since the earthquake itself is mainly focused and started from Myanmar, I guess 2025 Myanmar earthquake could be the most simple title + widely used in media. Imwin567 (talk) 12:08, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that the coverage is widespread and calling it the Myanmar earthquake rather than Sagaing specifically. Taking cues from 2023 Turkey-Syria earthquake using country names. Personally, I think a redirect as it is right now is fine and this gives us consistency but there's certainly no broad commonname argument for Sagaing that I can see.EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 13:54, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest this be reformatted as a formal request. Borgenland (talk) 14:03, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 March 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. Given the unanimous support so far and the immediate nature of this / linking of the article from the main page, I'm moving this now. given this has been a very short listing, there is no prejudice against further requests or informal discussion / queries if anyone has other ideaas. — Amakuru (talk) 15:40, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Sagaing earthquake → 2025 Myanmar earthquake – per WP:COMMONNAME from discussion above, most news sources calling it the Myanmar Earthquake with less referring to Sagaing or the Sagaing fault EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 14:46, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support given wide area of damage. Borgenland (talk) 14:50, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support as above. Province-level doesn't work here. kencf0618 (talk) 14:55, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per consensus at Article name change to "2025 Myanmar earthquake" and its wider scope. Naming it "2025 Sagaing earthquake" would be only appropriate if the damages did not extended beyond that region, but significant damages were reported as far as the outside the country, so yeah, the proposed name is much better since it proposes a much wider narrative. AstrooKai (Talk) 15:10, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Sagaing is not very recognizable, while Myanmar is. 216.58.24.27 (talk) 15:27, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Potential split

Seeing as future coverage of the earthquake's impacts in Myanmar is bound to reveal far more damage than currently shown, should a effects of the 2025 Myanmar earthquake in Myanmar article be created? Norbillian (talk) 22:13, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Too early to assume, work on the main article first. If it becomes too large then we'll think about a split. There are already three articles all related to the earthquake that for some reason I don't know have been created. I think those should be deleted/merged. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 22:22, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Death toll?

Not sure if I'm/Google Translate is misinterpreting the source but it says nearly 300 dead, not 444 Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 02:44, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, in burmese it says that the Islamic community estimates nearly 300 killed across 50 mosque collapse from congregants who were gathered for Duhr (mid-day prayer). The article is citing "the Islamic community" so I don't like relying on this source, I'm hoping a report comes out with something better since there's another article reporting on the same topic (different text, author) but they don't mention this 300 figure. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 02:52, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bloxzge 025 you are repeatedly violating MOS:UNCERTAINTY at this point. Clearly this is a developing story and the numbers will continue to be updated. Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS hence precise figures should not be used, instead round them down to the nearest ten. Continue to violate MOS and you will be reported Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 03:01, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I clicked the thing and realized what you meant. Sorry, won't do it again. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 03:07, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't put the 400 number there. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 03:06, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to using the precise figures in BNO, they will change rapidly and Wikipedia can't always keep up so round them to nearest tens or hundreds Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 03:09, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Subsections in the Elsewhere part of the Impact section.

Respected editors, I think we should add subsections in the Elsewhere part of the Impact section of this article as the impact information of China, India, Bangladesh are present there. Soham Bhattacharyya (talk) 08:54, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the Elsewhere header is to avoid additional subheaders. all the information for the three countries can be contained within this subheader Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 09:25, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add below in response

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https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/operaton-brahma-india-sends-relief-materials-to-earthquake-hit-myanmar/article69390029.ece

https://www.deccanherald.com/india/india-intensifies-relief-efforts-under-operation-brahma-as-myanmar-reels-from-earthquake-3469022

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=2116635 103.241.225.129 (talk) 16:37, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide text not just sources EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 16:45, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Dawnseeker2000 20:26, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sagaing Fault

So... between what plates does the fault lie, exactly? This article says Burma and Sunda, the Sagaing Fault article says Indian and Sunda. But the maps in those articles seem to suggest Indian and Eurasia. Or is it not that straightforward? --Paul_012 (talk) 01:36, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From the cited source in this article

"The 1000- to 1300-km wide terrane bisected by the Sagaing fault is tectonically complex. On the west is the subducting oceanic Indian plate, and on the east are the predominantly continental Yangtze and Sunda blocks (Fig. 1b). Between the Indian plate and the Sagaing fault is an elongate tectonic block that is commonly called the Burma plate or the Burma sliver (Curray, 1979). Between the Sagaing fault and the Yangtze and Sunda blocks is a terrane that includes the Shan Plateau, characterized by a plexus of dextral and sinistral strike-slip faults..." (page 5)

I think it is more complex, but it is generally the Indian plate on the west and the Eurasian and Sunda plates on the east depending on how north or south you go. Then there's the Burma microplate that is on the southern terminus of the Sunda fault. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 01:43, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

'Epicentre' is misleading, replace with 'shake map'?

This was a 200km*20km long slip-strike quake, felt at above 7.5 along virtually the entire length From Thabeikkyin in the North through Mandalay and NayPyiDor to Htantabin in the south, most of the length of the country. The USGS says "While commonly plotted as points on maps, earthquakes of this size are more appropriately described as slip over a larger fault area. The finite fault solution indicates the size of the March 28, 2025 event is about 200 km by 20 km (length x width)." [1] To plot it as a single point on the map is quite misleading and i would like to strongly encourage replacing the current heading map with a single point with the USGS shake map or a facsimile from public data, and editing the intro to reflect the 200km long quake rather than a single epicentre (but feel it meet to discuss) Mycosys (talk) 08:47, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone ahead and moved the Shakemap into the infobox, partly as the standard locator map was also repetitive with the image illustrating the fault. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:32, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with this even if the shakemap is a simulation, makes more sense since Naypyidaw seems to be hit as hard if not harder than Mandalay. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 20:11, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Potential template

Should there be a template like the one for the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami included in the article? Norbillian (talk) 12:04, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I guess so. I agree from my side. I also have another potential page to open in mind like as Humanitarian response to the 2023 Turkey–Syria earthquakes and Humanitarian response to the April 2015 Nepal earthquake. Just a suggestion to the experts who are editing this earthquake. Imwin567 (talk) 12:39, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Additional articles should not be created unless the main article will or has exceeds the length recommended in MOS. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 12:43, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nonthaburi

@Natt1985 please discuss with @Paul 012 this duplication of yours. Borgenland (talk) 14:50, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If we're going to mention the unconfirmed cases, it should be separately, since they're not included in the official toll. I'll see how this can be incorporated. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:46, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Day of week in intro

Current introduction reads

On 28 March 2025 at 12:50:54 MMT (06:20:54 UTC), a Mw 7.7 earthquake struck...

Could we replace with

On Friday 28 March 2025 at 12:50:54...

It gives a little more context to what the population would typically be doing at that time. Is there a consensus, or precedent, from other Wikipedia articles? Thanks. ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 22:10, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done Others can revert if precedent says otherwise. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 22:39, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We don’t write what day of the week it was because in most cases readers won’t even mind in 10 years time, not to mention it encourages other editors to vaguely write other days of the week without perspective. Borgenland (talk) 23:48, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Death toll sources

Can we use the other death toll counts given by the Myanmar government in the lead and in the infobox? Lots of earthquake pages have varying death tolls. GN22 (talk) 16:22, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe we are using the DVB source because there's conflicting numbers (with overlapping counts) from the two governments. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 16:28, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless, I think the In Myanmar section should open with a disclaimer sentence stating that there are varying numbers rather than showing outright DVB. Borgenland (talk) 16:31, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed yeah EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 16:51, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I added a brief sentence beforehand. Regarding varying numbers, I would expect it given the recency but we may see a smaller margin over the next weeks. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 17:28, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to consider whether context can be also provided as to the contradictions (crappy infra mainly + censors) but at the same time I think this has been mentioned throughout. Borgenland (talk) 17:42, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]