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October to December 2023	1,502	1,502
January to March 2024	4,291	4,291
Second Trump Administration (2025)	1,998	1,998
Responses	20,830	20,830
Impacts	12	21,871
Economic	11,015	11,015
Social	7,589	7,589
Elections	3,095	3,095
Hospital care crisis	160	160
Vaccination campaign	1,506	7,539
Timeline graph of doses administered	1,129	1,129
Background to various vaccines	108	108
Vaccine mandates	2,933	2,933
Effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines	1,863	1,863
Transition to later phases	4,143	4,143
Preparations made after previous outbreaks	4,199	4,199
Statistics	116	116
See also	230	230
Notes	134	134
References	31	31
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Transition to Endemic Stage is Misleading

Firstly, "transition to endemic stage" is a misleading subsection title: The CDC has never stated Covid-19 is endemic but that the emergency phase is over: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/end-of-phe.html

Also, Dr. Anthony Fauci walked back his wording that Covid-19 was endemic shortly after he was quoted saying that: he said following that comment it wasn't quite what he meant and we are still in a pandemic: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-04-28/fauci-walks-back-coronavirus-comments-says-pandemic-not-over-in-u-s

Therefore, I think "transition to endemic stage" itself is a misleading and a more accurate term for this subsection ought to replace it: "ending of the emergency phase" for example.

And if the moderators do not feel the links I have provided are cause to change the subsection title, I would kindly ask that my two notes with links be included in the "transition to endemic" subsection.

Thank you. Berniethecat (talk) 17:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it to "Transition to later phases" to match the present state of the general pandemic article. Information about the end of the PHE and Fauci walking back his wording is already in the article, the latter in the heading itself.

Also, to be clear, I am not a mod and Wikipedia doesn't have mods per se; see WP:ADMIN for what administrators do (which I am not) and WP:SILVERLOCK for why this article is not able to be edited by some users. Crossroads ^-talk- 18:08, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for making it more accurate. Berniethecat (talk) 18:42, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pandemics are susceptible.

First of all.

Sexual minorities. Gays, corrupted pedirast's , lesbians. And also "fixe's", "kanül's" (consumers, of various drugs).

Reasonable people - avoid infections.

(Remain healthy and optimistically minded members of socium - US country ;)

will Thank of you.

Moy Diadia (talk) 16:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's no way this statement is true

"Around 200,000 COVID deaths occur in America every year." Maybe in the early pandemic years. Definitely not the case today. 172.98.157.61 (talk) 01:21, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This was in the template Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/United States deaths chart post emergency, which I have edited to remove the unsourced and misleading statement (deaths are heavily front-loaded in the first few years; a simple average would not represent the yearly death toll going forward). Crossroads ^-talk- 20:25, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update: this was reverted and I was referred to a Commons data table, if anyone wants to follow up on this. Crossroads ^-talk- 20:49, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

hi there! to save everyone the trip through the links: the statement is sourced, and it is not computed as a simple average that includes the first few years. instead, the sources show how 190,000 americans died from COVID in the year defined by the 2022-23 flu season using only data from that season, and 240,000 americans died from COVID in the year defined by the 2023-24 flu season in the same way. based on the update schedule of the sources, the figure for the year defined by the 2024-25 flu season would probably be available in January 2026, although of course the cdc is in a lot of flux right now, so we'll see!

and the reason this is all in a Commons data table, because other editors decided it fit better there than on Wikipedia proper. i disagreed, so if you'd like to discuss that i recommend getting in touch with them! Kinerd518 (talk) 22:31, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Summer of Love 2020

Has no one found it relevant to add context for the summer of 2020? I mean, when discussing the spread of COVID & the timeline, do we not believe having hundreds of thousands gather together in cities across the US (& abroad) to protest "racism" & demand the defending of police? More than 30 ppl died from acts of violence during these riots & protests. Billions in damage, businesses destroyed. Yet, for some reason the section for May-August 2020 makes literally no mention of this. Do people not believe this played a role in the spread?? A motorcycle rally was blamed for cases but we're not going to consider how these protests played a role? That's pretty much the definition of bias right there. If something doesn't fit a specific narrative or worldview, it's just ignored, brushed over. 2600:1700:67C0:B2D0:F1F0:6F50:5F:49B4 (talk) 03:57, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any sources for your strange suggestion? Dimadick (talk) 07:42, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioning only the Sturgis Motorcyle Rally as a specific event of interest across the entire timespan "May to August 2020" does seem overly focused. I am not sure it is biased as opposed to being more of an editorial stub. The Sturgis Motorcyle Rally received a lot of press coverage and is noteworthy. But if it is the only news event to be listed in this paragraph, I would preface it with something like: "One of many events in the news during this period was...".

I asked AI for a list of noteworthy events during May to August 2020 and got answers including (in this order): unemployment, economic reopenings, inconsistent mask mandates, the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, announcement of Operation Warp Speed, George Floyd’s murder and nationwide protests, murder hornets, dropping of charges against Michael Flynn, dam failures in Midland County, USA announced its withdrawal from the World Health Organization, Hurricane Laura, protests in Kenosha after the police shooting of Jacob Blake, criticism for admin handling of the pandemic including blocking the CDC, Republican National Convention, & social media companies (e.g., Twitter) began labeling the President’s tweets as misleading. Jaredroach (talk) 14:03, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I adjusted the wording as you suggested and added a see also link to George Floyd protests#COVID-19 pandemic. I wish the IP hadn't assumed that failure to mention this was due to some sort of deliberate political slant rather than assuming good faith that it was an oversight. Some of the content at the link could no doubt be folded into the text as well. Crossroads ^-talk- 20:32, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is spreading lies and misinformation

How is this statement "Around 200,000 COVID deaths occur in America every year" is close to being true. Weekly deaths have dropped below 200. Annual deaths is nowhere close to 200,000. Come on. This is ridiculous to have this statement in the article and promoting fear mongering.

206.176.155.44 (talk) 12:57, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:52, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Much appreciated. 206.176.155.44 (talk) 15:21, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

hello there! please see the page https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:COVID-19_pandemic_data/United_States_daily_deaths_post_emergency.tab for the source of statement. this page, cited in the chart, is the source for all the data in it. thanks! Kinerd518 (talk) 16:49, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That table doesn't fit on my screen and is difficult to parse. Rather than possibly veering into WP:OR, do you have any sources directly making this claim? This came up recently under #There's_no_way_this_statement_is_true, too. Crossroads ^-talk- 20:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

oh i 100% agree the table is a disaster, the wikipedia version was dramatically more readable and informative than the commons version, but a lot of people insisted on it being on commons instead, so here we are. i doubt it'll be much better reposting the relevant sources here, but i'll try: https://www.cdc.gov/flu-burden/php/data-vis/past-seasons.html https://dph.illinois.gov/topics-services/diseases-and-conditions/respiratory-disease/surveillance/respiratory-disease-report.html?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlZixBhCoARIsAIC745AAPvxBNCfQlgJHkKsBkYweYkipDEW6zCG2Nv3WzoYIXZdQ_Th6pyIaAsuMEALw_wcB https://dashboard.chfs.ky.gov/views/DPHRSP001RespiratoryDiseases/Deaths?%3Aembed=y&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y https://doh.wa.gov/data-and-statistical-reports/diseases-and-chronic-conditions/communicable-disease-surveillance-data/respiratory-illness-data-dashboard

so it should go without saying when looking at that mess (or rather those messes), but i don't blame anyone for not wanting to parse all that. BUT i also think it's important to make explicit, that while it's a real headache parsing these sources in json or hyperlink format, they are still actual and legitimate sources, not just anonymous users insisting it can't be true. not that it should matter, but if anyone looks through the history of that commons page, they can see how i routinely welcome new sourcing whether it makes the numbers go up or down, but it has to be a source, not a declaration. to my mind, this is in keeping with wikipedia standards, and we shouldn't bow to pressure to remove sourced information, no matter how many unsourced complaints there are about it. as you cited, "there's no way this statement is true" is the rejoinder, but anyone can say that about anything, so if we start removing sourced content based solely on that, there literally won't be a wikipedia any more

fwiw i'm also not saying the cdc and illinois dph and kentucky chfs and washington doh are beyond question, either individually or in sum. i for one had never even heard of any of them besides the cdc before this! what i'm saying is, when we've got multiple sources on one side and 0 sources on the other, it really seems like we should be asking a lot more questions of the unsourced side, and the fact that 0 questions have been asked of them should prompt some very serious soul searching Kinerd518 (talk) 01:05, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]