Talk:1974 Guin tornado

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Section sizes

Section size for 1974 Guin tornado (8 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	3,366	3,366
Meteorological synopsis	2,597	2,597
Tornado summary	4,278	4,278
Aftermath	51	51
See also	236	236
Notes and references	28	333
Notes	38	38
References	267	267
Total	10,861	10,861

Too short

Departure, I'm a "super-mega-inclusionist", but now that TornadoTalk has been murdered this is way too short. I'm also 100% certain this will be targeted by tornado-deletionists; for them it's either 1,000% expansion or redirection (why do you think I rush to GA my tornado articles?). This is coming from the article starter, too. While WP:NTORNADO is technically met, unless this is expanded (I may work on that soon, but very busy with Greensburg tornado right now) it could be wrongfully considered a WP:CFORK. — EF5 ^(questions?) 18:47, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Last time I checked, "too short" isn't a reason for deletion, especially since I've assessed this as C class. I think deletionist WPWX editors need to get their minds straight on deleting anything below "C" class - especially in a case like this, 1974 Super Outbreak has fourteen sections on other tornadoes and this one has lasting coverage. Here's three sources you can use if you want to expand the article's Aftermath section which is probably where this apprehension comes from: 1, 2, 3. I'd add them myself but I really feel a bit burnt out from editing as of right now. Departure– (talk) 18:52, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't see that you were also busy with Greensburg. It's not an issue because those articles can and will be brought up if a deletion request is filed. Departure– (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, Greensburg doesn't have a deadline. May 10-13 is when I hope to get the ref spotchecks (I have 130 to do!!), but I can take a break to give the Guin article the love it deserves. — EF5 ^(questions?) 18:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to hear that. I guess I could work on it, I'm also a bit burnt out from both off-wiki stuff and my inability to find a single tornado-related thing to write about (I'm more of a starter, less of an expander). — EF5 ^(questions?) 18:55, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You don't have to today, it's open for anyone who wants to ensure this article won't end up at AFD; but the mere presence of sources means it likely won't go there.

Hey, isn't that all the orange tag for quality means? Why is it only tornado editors that get up in arms for merging articles based on length when notability is demonstrated? Departure– (talk) 18:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Jarrell tornado has given me AfD PTSD! Also, check this out, may be of interest here: https://www.reddit.com/r/tornado/comments/1kbm4y4/how_did_the_guin_tornado_stay_on_the_ground_for_2/ — EF5 ^(questions?) 19:00, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, the link never fully loaded. Basically said "How did the Guin tornado stay on the ground for 2 hours and 32 minutes traveling at 75 miles per hour and "only" traveled 79 miles? [super outbreak 1974]"; there may be a CALC issue here. — EF5 ^(questions?) 19:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that same TornadoTalk source we removed says it had a variable speed (from Google's search snippets). I'll check Grazulis real quick. Departure– (talk) 19:06, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's what the Reddit post references, the TT source said it dissipated near Decatur. Apparently non-editors don't know what reliable and unreliable sourcing is, which is fine. :) — EF5 ^(questions?) 19:09, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Grazulis says the funnel was aloft in the 1880-1990 source but does confirm the touchdown time and speed. Storm data has the length at a bit over two hours too. Let's just go with the "variable speed" hypothesis instead of synthesizing what it might be. Departure– (talk) 19:10, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good call. — EF5 ^(questions?) 19:12, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]