Draft talk:Infinity Foods Workers Co-operative

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Notability

Hey, Hominid23! This company seems likely to be notable to me, but the minimum to prove that is three sources, all three of which represent

significant coverage
in a reliable source
that is independent of the subject.

The first source looked good -- significant coverage, reliable source -- until I saw it was written by the person who founded the award she was writing about and works for the company that gave that award to the company. This makes it very iffy as independent. What we'd like to see is some other reliable source covering that.

Since the first source I looked at had initially looked good, I'm wondering if you can talk a little about which three sources that you've used can meet all those qualifications? Valereee (talk) 13:15, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Valereee,

Thank you for update.

Here are the three main sources that are independent of the subject:

https://www.northlainehistory.me.uk/infinity-foods.html

https://www.ft.com/content/236d978c-bbac-11e1-9436-00144feabdc0

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11587625.reliable-100-organic-food/

Following your explanation regarding the winners of a competition organised by the publication, this one only verifies it is a wholesaler based in Brighton:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2007/jun/08/imsogladipolished Hominid23 (talk) 14:29, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, I hit send before I had finished writing.

https://www.northlainehistory.me.uk/infinity-foods.html - food retailer, selling organic and natural foods has an historical dates.

https://www.ft.com/content/236d978c-bbac-11e1-9436-00144feabdc0 - specializing in vegetarian, Fairtrade, organic, ethical, and natural food and products. It is a cooperative and also has historical dates.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11587625.reliable-100-organic-food/ - food retailer, selling organic and natural foods based in Brighton Hominid23 (talk) 14:35, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As a bit of extra context, North Laine History appears to be closer to a personal blog. That being said, it is ostensibly hosting an archived version of an article from the local newspaper North Laine Runner, which is what this article is citing. That arrangement gives me pause, particularly with respect to Wikipedia's policy on self-published sources but otherwise I think the source would be good Viv Desjardin (talk) 05:19, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do I need to update and reference North Laine Runner? Hominid23 (talk) 13:15, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Or is the source OK to use. I'd really like to see this live. It has been a while since I created the first draft. My motivation behind this was purely that I don't trust the AI reviews and looked to Wikipedia to find out more about Infinity Foods. Happy to make changes where you see fit. Thank you Hominid23 (talk) 13:18, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ideally for something like this you'd want to find the original, even if that means trying to find an archived copy in the library. For something like this it'd probably require being physically in Brighton. It's not like Wikipedia doesn't accept online archives of newspaper articles, though, it's just that this archive seems to be wholly maintained by a single person.

If you want a second opinion you could just cite the newspaper and link the archived copy you found, and see what the reviewer makes of it when you next submit this draft for review.

I found this source [1] which you could incorporate into the article. Trying to write articles for small projects like this is honest work but finding good sources can be challenging... Viv Desjardin (talk, contrib) 14:20, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your help with this post.

Here is how the sentence looks now:

In 1971, Peter Deadman, Jenny Deadman and Robin Bines, opened Infinity Foods, a small retail shop located in a converted terraced house on Church Street, Brighton. [4]

[4] is the citation # "Infinity Foods, North Rd". North Laine History.

Do you suggest I also put and second citation next to this that links to https://www.naturalproductsonline.co.uk/news/brighton-says-farewell-to-infinity-foods-kitchen/

? Hominid23 (talk) 14:39, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One last question should I find the original print copy (not online) and reference in the post? I had a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/Further_considerations and couldn't see an example for citing a print publication. Can you please advise. Thank you Hominid23 (talk) 15:45, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you try and find it. If you're in the UK you've got a decent shot. If not it might not be worthwhile. If you want to be very thorough you could try reaching out to the publisher directly, tell them what you're trying to do, and they might help you out. That can be a bit of a long shot though, so hard to say

To cite a print resource it's more or less the same as an online resource. If there's no way to access it online, you can just leave off the URL part. If you're using the visual editor, there's a citation button you can click in the ribbon. The correct sub-option for this would be "Newspaper." Or, if you're using the source editor, you're going to want to take a look at Template:Cite news Viv Desjardin (talk, contrib) 16:12, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest you add the information from the linked article. It's pretty short and doesn't offer a lot of information but it does help to establish notability. More sources doesn't always mean the subject is more notable—notability is a very vibes based thing on Wikipedia, but having multiple, independent sources helps to build a case for why it should be included.

You could also use the source as a citation for the sentence you mentioned, because the source confirms the location of Infinity Foods! Viv Desjardin (talk, contrib) 16:16, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]