Talk:Bernadine Anderson

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~~... that Hollywood makeup artist Bernadine Anderson put herself through college by doing makeup on corpses?~~

Source: Hilton, Emily (2021-04-01), "Hair and Makeup Vets to Bask in Their Moment in the Sun", The Hollywood Reporter. "After growing up in New York City, Anderson, who originally aspired to be a costume designer, put herself through college working for an undertaker doing makeup on corpses."

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Moved to mainspace by Kylara (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Kylara (talk) 00:59, 4 August 2025 (UTC).[reply]

A Kylara nom?? So good to see it! Article meets the eligibility requirements, created a couple days ago and 2000+ bytes of prose. Absolutely killer hook and it checks out, no QPQ needed, no image given. A few things to work out (many from a previous author):
- The last sentence of "Early life" needs a citation
- "first" claims are treated as exceptional – this isn't the hook, but the same principle does still apply – and I think the fact that it's a passing mention in the lead of an article not about Anderson (blacknews.com) means the editors probably didn't fact-check that claim.
- the beautylish.com article looks like a company blog post? i'm not sure i'd give the opinion due weight
- "fought against employment discrimination" is a little broad, maybe say what the fight was?
- when a source uses a hedge or attribution (according to Rosen), the article should use that hedge as well
- the article's "put herself through college by working for an undertaker doing makeup on corpses" is a little close to the source's "put herself through college working for an undertaker doing makeup on corpses"? would rephrase the article
- iffy about including the Hollywood Beauty Awards for due weight reasons – one source ran the awards ceremony and the other doesn't seem to be from an academic publisher/otherwise editorially reviewed, but it's a borderline call (we usually don't require secondary sources for, say, emmy awards), totally up to you
That's all from me :) I know this is your first DYK nom, so welcome, I'm so glad you're here, and what a fantastic first find! The writing's great, I've done some style copyediting here and there (sorry for not retaining the British English, but she is an American). The changes should be no problem to address, and if you disagree with suggestions or have any questions don't hesitate to ping me. After that, should be good to get going! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 05:22, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Claudia! Thank you so much for the thorough and clear review, it's incredibly helpful. Based on your feedback, I've made the following updates:
- Unsourced early life - I've been unable to confirm this in any of the sources I've found about Anderson, so I've removed it.
- blacknews.com source - removed
- beautylish.com article - removed
- "fought against employment discrimination" in lede - rephrased to "filed a lawsuit against employment discrimination" so it's a bit more specific.
- hedge ("according to Rosen") - added to the article
- paraphrasing - rephrased to "Anderson worked for an undertaker to put herself through college; she did makeup on corpses."
Still there:
- Hollywood Beauty Awards mention - I would like to keep it. I think the Hollywood Beauty Awards might qualify for its own article too (I plan to look into it), and if it's notable enough for that, then I think it's notable enough to keep the mention. (Although it isn't an article yet...)
Please let me know if that all checks out, or if any improvements are still needed to move forward. And thank you again! - Kylara (talk) 16:45, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Kylara, the article looks much better – thank you so much for getting to it so quickly! I'm going to shuffle the hook a bit to avoid too closely paraphrasing the source:
ALT0a: ... that in college, Hollywood makeup artist Bernadine Anderson supported herself by doing makeup on corpses?
Unless you have any objection to that wording, we should be good to go :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:57, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good to me! Kylara (talk) 19:00, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
all righty, ALT0a only approved! Unless something new comes up, a promoter will close this nomination and put the hook in queue probably within 2 weeks (the backlog's on the higher end right now), and it'll appear on the Main Page a week or two after that. thanks for a really fascinating submission :) and looking forward to seeing what you come up with next! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:32, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]