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The World Destubathon

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Discussion at Talk:House of Tudor § Does the Tudor Dragon have a pizzle?

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:House of Tudor § Does the Tudor Dragon have a pizzle?. Also impacts Welsh dragon and possibly some depictions of the dragon elsewhere. DankJae 22:21, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jeff Global's Global Probe

The article Jeff Global's Global Probe has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Tagged as Unreferenced and unimproved for 15 and 1/2 years. Actually unreferenced almost 20 years. No other language has an article from which to translate. TV show canceled after six episodes.

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Welsh Carnegie libraries

Have rolled this out, Carnegie libraries in Wales, following a helpful prompt, and it's raised a few issues/queries:

• Treharris Public Library - it would be great to have an image, which neither Commons, nor Geograph appear to have;
• Newport Carnegie Library, Corporation Road - this certainly has been closed/sold off and it appears to now operate as a children's nursery. A source on its current use would be great;
• Dolgellau Free Library, Mill Street - does anyone have a good source as to the building's current use?
• Criccieth Old Library - council was considering options in 2021. Any more recent source as to sale/use?

Any suggestions gratefully received. KJP1 (talk) 20:40, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Little Acorns in Newport. 2019 Inspectorate report here. Hope may be of some use. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:19, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Martin, it’s excellent - clearly demonstrating the current usage. Shall weave it in. Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 22:39, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Pillgwenlly Library

Following on from the above, this is another puzzle. It is the former Pillgwenlly Library on Temple Street in Newport. It has a certain fame as the inscription in the pediment, "Knowledge is power" inspired the opening line of the Manic Street Preachers' song, A Design for Life.[1] It is frequently described as a Carnegie library.[2] But there are some questions:

• This, and other sources, suggest the building dates from 1889. That would make it a very early UK Carnegie - only six years after Dunfermline, the first in the UK, and more than a decade before the next in Wales;
• It doesn't appear to be recorded in Oriel Prizeman's, The Carnegie Libraries of Britain;
• It doesn't appear to be recorded in the digital catalogue of the Cardiff University Carnegie project.
• It's not listed by Cadw, or recorded in the RCAHMW Coflein database, so they give no information.

Does anyone have any sourcing on the building's origins? KJP1 (talk) 12:48, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

The news coverage of the library's closure give snippets of background information, such as in Wales Online (though it doesn't mention Carnegie unfortunately). It certainly seems worthy of a Wikipedia article. Sionk (talk) 11:49, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

And if not here, then certainly on cywiki. I've looked on the Peoples Collection Wales website and I haven't found anything specifically about the library.I'm fairly sure that the saying "Knowledge is power" is very very old, but it could be that the Manics saw it there for the first time. Merits further research. Deb (talk) 15:32, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

I found something in an 1888 issue of Building News[3] that says there was a plan for a new Free Reading Room in Pillgwenlly around that time, so it would make sense for that plan to have developed into a library. Deb (talk) 15:38, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks both - very helpful. Interestingly, Brodie's Directory of British Architects does have an entry for an Alfred Swash, of Midland Bank Chambers, Newport, who was articled to Habershon and Fawckner before setting up on his own. Unfortunately, it doesn't mention the library. I agree an article would be good, but the sources will be a struggle. No Cadw/Coflein/Pevsner and, as I don't think it's a Carnegie, neither of the Carnegie sources either. Which leaves us rather light. The problem with the modern newspapers is that they focus heavily on the Manic Street Preachers connection, and rather less on details about the building. But Deb's finding Swash is a very good start - let's see what else can be unearthed. KJP1 (talk) 16:33, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Has anyone had a close look at the foundation stone? Deb (talk) 17:23, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

While Newport was a great stomping ground when I was young, I am now located rather a long way away. But it’s a good idea, and I think a few of the Wales contributors are closer. KJP1 (talk) 17:40, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

There should be some sources here at NLW, if anyone has the time. Tony Holkham (Talk) 19:41, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Or in NLW journals. Tony Holkham (Talk) 19:47, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Good Lord, Tony, that's a lot of mentions of Pill! I shall see whether I can find any relating to the library. Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 07:31, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Addition of an article

I've added the article about W. B. Gallie as being within the scope of WikiProject Wales because his first job was as a lecturer in University College, Swansea, where he met and subsequently married Menna Gallie; they lived in Ystradgynlais, and when he retired they settled in Newport, Pembrokeshire. Comments welcomed. John Desmond (talk) 12:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Edward Parry (preacher and poet)#Requested move 16 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Edward Parry (preacher and poet)#Requested move 16 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 12:59, 22 July 2025 (UTC)