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Recent edits by Wrongnumba0511

Wrongnumba0511 (talk · contribs) has recently linked foreign countries (should not be per MOS:GEOLINK) and re-added locations/subdivisions for high schools that should be omitted if they are the same as a player's birthplace (Template:Infobox NFL biography#Parameters and instructions). I'm posting about this for more awareness as they have continued to do so and have made no effort to respond. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:30, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

I've been unsuccessful in getting a response from this editor about adding birthplaces to biographies without a source. Notably, they have now added two different birthplaces to Greedy Vance Jr. at different times, [1] [2], without sources. OceanGunfish (talk) 16:10, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

@OceanGunfish: Communication is required, especially when edits are challenged. And verifiability is a core content policy, again, especially when edits are challenged. If this non-communicative pattern continues, a short-term partial block from article-space may be needed to more strongly compel them to engage with community concerns. At the same time, we should try to preserve content that is plausible, perhaps with some good-faith searching if time permits. Vance's ESPN college bio lists Kenner as his birthplace (which is what the user added in the first of those two diffs). FWIW, it's not uncommon for newer editors to confuse something like "hometown" or "origin" in sources for the birthplace on athlete bios. Left guide (talk) 18:07, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Maybe a temporary block would work, revert them all. This deaf, dumb, blind crap doesn't work. He does what he wants to do!! Or ...... we can have a state abbreviation added to every page. I'll revert everything, not a problem. Bringingthewood (talk) 03:38, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

I'll AGF that they're new and perhaps aren't aware of their talk page. I left them a message at User_talk:Wrongnumba0511#Talk_page, asking them to at least acknowledge that they are getting the notifications. If questionable edits continue, drop a line here (or at WP:ANI), explaining that they might not be aware of their talk page, have left they a note asking them for a simple acknowledgement, but disputed edits persist. Request a block until they notice their talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bagumba (talk • contribs) 04:25, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

After continued linking of countries today, I have opened a thread at ANI. OceanGunfish (talk) 20:03, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Roster status of players cut before season opener

Hello all! I'm looking for some clarity regarding the logic of how we denote a player's career history. It was my understanding that if a player was on a team's roster for, let's say the 2024 season (regardless of practice squad or 53-man), if they are cut before the 2025 season opener, then we would not write (2024-2025) in the career history box and just (2024). I'm asking this as I've come across some edits where others disagree (Ben DiNucci, Dax Milne for example) and would just like to make sure that the way I have been editing pages is in line with the consensus. I really don't have an opinion either way and see the argument for both styles, really just looking to maintain a uniform style across all articles. Thanks! Ethan Webster (talk) 12:17, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

That's the way I've done it for years. The main exception would be for players who signed in the same offseason and were released/traded prior to making the Week 1 roster (active, reserve, or PS). — Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:47, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

This was my understanding. I have come across WikiSports2016 who has made dozens (if not hundreds) of edits to the contrary, adding offseason years to players. Looking at edit histories, it seems many other editors tend to revert these changes, but I was unsure if there was an established consensus on this or not. I have looked through the template guides and previous talk pages and couldn't find anything definitive. Would appreciate some guidance as to how to proceed Thanks again all. Ethan Webster (talk) 08:34, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

AFDs

Two recent AFDs may be of interest to this WikiProject:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The 60 Yard Line
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pigskin Champions

Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:39, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Carl Zoll

All, Carl Zoll was renominated at FAC and again is facing the possibility of archival due to a lack of reviews. If you have a chance, especially if you commented on the first nom, please take a look and provide any relevant input or recommendations. See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Carl Zoll/archive2. Thanks! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:40, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Unsourced BLP NFL players

There are currently 49 unsourced BLPs about NFL players. Help in sourcing them would be appreciated. Thanks, BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:12, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

If a link to the player's stats at Pro Football Reference already exists, can the same link be used as a source, or would you prefer a different source? Assadzadeh (talk) 17:14, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

That is fine, though it'd be nice to add some sources with significant coverage as well. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:16, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, it can be used to cite statistics, but WP:SECONDARY sources are needed to establish notability for a standalone article. Left guide (talk) 23:11, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

"Dallas Cowgirls" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Dallas Cowgirls has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 21 § Dallas Cowgirls until a consensus is reached. Left guide (talk) 19:09, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Jack Youngblood

Jack Youngblood has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 18:47, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Bruce Matthews (American football)#Requested move 14 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Bruce Matthews (American football)#Requested move 14 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 09:26, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Clem Daniels

There was an edit by an IP user at Clem Daniels which resulted in a sentence that doesn't really make sense, but on the other hand the IP user did provide a source for the point they were trying to make.

Referring to Daniels who played college football at Prairie View A&M, the article had previously stated, "Daniels was signed as a free agent in 1960 by the AFL's Dallas Texans, who, like other AFL teams recruited players from small and predominantly black colleges, which were mainly ignored by the conservative NFL."

In this edit, User:74.192.80.92 changed that to say, "Daniels was signed as a free agent in 1960 by the AFL's Dallas Texans, who, like other AFL teams recruited players from small and predominantly black colleges, following the lead of the NFL which had been drafting HBCU schools since 1950." The user provided a cite to https://clutchpoints.com/hbcu-players-drafted-to-the-nfl-from-1950-1959 and explained the edit by saying, "Correcting a lie, and giving a side with a list proving the replaced section was a lie."

I guess the question is whether the original sentence was accurate (that players from black colleges were mainly ignored by the NFL, but not the AFL). That's what I had thought, but looking at 1960 American Football League draft I don't see a lot of historically black colleges listed there. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:50, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

@Metropolitan90: According to community consensus, ClutchPoints seems to have unclear unreliability, or at best is a mid-grade source (see community discussions 1, 2). For contested material, it's best omitted in favor of higher-quality sources, though it isn't exactly helpful that the previous version it replaced seems to be uncited. Can better sources be found covering the material in question? Left guide (talk) 06:00, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

The original sentence might also be trivial to Daniels' bio unless a reliable source makes the connection w.r.t. him. —Bagumba (talk) 17:06, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Nyheim Miller-Hines

I recently moved Nyheim Hines to Nyheim Miller-Hines, but completely forgot to do a discussion, I moved it as he calls himself Miller-Hines rather than Hines, but I figured I should ask, even though I already moved it I can move it back to Nyheim Hines. Here are some references:

Thanks, WhyIsThisSoHard575483838 (talk) 01:57, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

References

Looking at Google News, pretty much all the news articles still just say Hines. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:07, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

@WhyIsThisSoHard575483838: Most of the sources cited above and in the edit summary are not independent, and given WikiOriginal-9's comment, this seems potentially controversial. Can you please move it back and start a requested move on the article talk page instead? Left guide (talk) 02:17, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Yes I will, no worries. WhyIsThisSoHard575483838 (talk) 02:18, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. Left guide (talk) 02:20, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Moved, and discussion has been added WhyIsThisSoHard575483838 (talk) 02:24, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Ok, I've tidied it up with the official {{RM}} template. A bot should be adding the notice to the article shortly. Left guide (talk) 02:31, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

DRV notice

Please see WP:Deletion review/Log/2025 August 1#Eagles–Falcons rivalry. Left guide (talk) 19:12, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Proposal to reformat game recaps into a source link

I want to officially propose replacing external link game recaps in schedule tables as a source link for the following reasons. a)External links are subject to linkrot. What will happen if the NFL.com reformats these or removes them altogether? b) They can become unsightly as in 1957 Baltimore Colts season (which links to pro football reference). College football has already done this ex. 1956 Oklahoma Sooners football team. I think this looks much cleaner, gives the same information, and preemptively solves a problem that may occur in the future. If you remember when NFL.com switched formats for NFL player bios you know that this could happen.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:24, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

For clarity, I am proposing replacing the NFL.com recap column to a source column and replacing the external links with in-line citations.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:49, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

@UCO2009bluejay: Is it possible to show a before-and-after example of the change? Perhaps in a sandbox test. It's hard for me to assess in the abstract. Left guide (talk) 01:18, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Before

Week	Date	Opponent	Result	Record	Venue	Recap
1	September 9	New York Jets	W 32–19	1–0	Levi's Stadium	Recap

After

Week	Date	Opponent	Result	Record	Venue	Sources
1	September 9	New York Jets	W 32–19	1–0	Levi's Stadium

References

Thanks; all else being equal, I'd prefer to keep it with the "recap" since the interface seems more reader-friendly; it's one less click to navigate, and the word "recap" is more intuitive as to what the purpose is compared to a footnote's random number. A question though, how would the recap link be any more susceptible to linkrot compared to the source footnote link? Left guide (talk) 01:42, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

A footnote link can be archived. I also question if the external link violates WP:ELNO-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 01:50, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Also is it really our job to link to league websites for each game, or to provide sources? Why have inline citations at all?[3]-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 03:05, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

It's good to be able to verify the information displayed in the table. I don't think it has to be the league's site, especially if they're always mucking with the url format and causing linkrot. I don't see why the table necessarily needs a link to a game "recap", per se. For example, could the table be cited to https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/2024.htm, or could it even be a general source for the page?—Bagumba (talk) 15:42, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

I am not opposed to that at all. I was thinking that since the links are extant just to convert them though. Either option is fine with me as long as the external links go.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:15, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

I also like this idea; we already do this for player stats. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:40, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

AFL Championship Games, intro & infobox heading

I've opened RMs related to this matter in the past, and the result was 'no consensus'. This was due mainly to the existance of the Australian Football League. However, for the intro & infobox heading of (for example) 1965 American Football League Championship Game, may we shorten to 1965 AFL Championship Game? Thus bring in line with (for example) the intro & infobox heading of 1965 NFL Championship Game. -- GoodDay (talk) 14:47, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Go ahead. The Australian Football League was called the Victorian Football League (VFL) from 1897 to 1990. I doubt anyone is confusing the 1965 AFL Championship Game with 1965 VFL grand final. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:32, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

1965 AFL Championship Game already redirects to the page, so I'm not sure why the RMs were unsuccessful as the full league name seems unnecessary. Were these attempted before the recent mass NFL page moves? As for the current article, there's no need to continue to disambiguate after context has been established. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:44, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

MOS:ACRO1STUSE notes that acronyms should be spelled out in their first use. For NFC Championship games, I have been doing The 2014 National Football Conference (NFC) Championship Game... « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:09, 4 August 2025 (UTC)