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Help requested at Talk:2024 $1 Million Challenge

Hi. I'm attempting to move 2024 $1 Million Challenge to $1 Million Challenge (after having done a move of an article from there to The Thermal Club IndyCar Grand Prix and don't think I am explaining myself well enough to the generalist editors who patrol that board that are opposing me. Some help would be appreciated. ―"Ghost of Dan Gurney" _(hihi) 18:03, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Formula One racing#Requested move 19 February 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Formula One racing#Requested move 19 February 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 09:57, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Rookie titles in infoboxes

Should we be including rookie championships in junior formulae as part of the titles subheading in infobox racing driver? Such titles often go unmentioned in secondary sources. MB2437 17:49, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

No, I don't think it is necessary to do so. They are relatively insignificant outside of the ongoing series/season itself, and receive little sourcing from Formula Scout & Feeder Series. It would just be complicated and cause confusion in my opinion. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 20:40, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

No for the reasons outlined above, but I think they can be useful in the body of the article at times (for example, Leclerc finishing 4th but winning the rookie title in 2015 European F3 might be more impressive than Rosenqvist’s title). Namelessposter (talk) 17:59, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

If such titles go unmentioned in secondary sources, mentioning them in an infobox (which should limit itself to the major info) would be completely WP:UNDUE. I would go as far as to argue that mentioning it in prose might be undue as well. And that such info should be limited to a footnote in the results table at the bottom of a drivers biography, if at all. SSSB (talk) 19:40, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

They’re not significant enough or notable enough to be mentioned in the Infobox. So should be removed. JamesVilla44 (talk) 23:00, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Ongoing situation regarding various Ligier European Series articles

There is an ongoing edit war (kinda? its died down since, but still active) at various articles regarding the Ligier European Series. This is also ongoing at the various season articles, such as 2020 Ligier European Series, 2021 Ligier European Series, 2022 Ligier European Series, 2023 Ligier European Series, and 2024 Ligier European Series. Any outside opinions and consensus help would be greatly appreciated. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 01:47, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

This has already been escalated to WP:ANI.Tvx1 15:23, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Yep, I didn't think of posting this here until yesterday (well, technically today in utc, but timezones). It has been brought up again at ANI here. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 16:19, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Do these articles even meet general notability? They are almost exclusively reliant on press releases and self-published content. I know that is often the best way to ref season articles, but are there any secondary sources covering it? MB2437 16:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Dailysportscar is the main outlet reporting on them. I haven't fully read through the sources, so I am not sure to what extent they are independent/secondary. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 16:15, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

@GalacticVelocity08, @Mb2437. This user keeps returning to the talk pages of these articles using various IP’s. They keeping putting up a post in which they call me a liar. In addition they attacked me directly on one of their talk pages. I’m fed up with this. Tvx1 13:42, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

May be worth seeking a range ban at ANI, or semi-protection. MB2437 17:19, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Double Nationality

It was already discussed a million of times about other drivers, but Yasser Shahin's infobox contains second "nationality" which is not confirmed by the third-party sources, it only has a reference to the personal site. He never raced as a Palestine driver, because they even do not have their own motorsport federation. Corvus tristis (talk) 11:15, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

He and his brother both raced under a half-half flag recently.[1] This is by no way confirmation of their Palestinian nationality, however. The lead currently states an ethnicity. MB2437 17:35, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

I think the root of the question is whether the nationality in the racing driver infobox should refer to a held racing license or a person's legal status. Rally Wonk (talk) 17:55, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

How I’ve done it in the past, usually for junior formulae drivers, has been a plainlist of the flags they’ve raced under, with an efn. MB2437 18:10, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Grant Williams

Hello. I'm currently working on Draft:Grant Williams (racing driver). Williams is a Welsh historic racing driver, famed for his exuberant, side-ways driving style. He owns the ex-John Coombs Jaguar Mk1 'BUY 1' as driven in period by Roy Salvadori, and the ex-Tommy Sopwith Jaguar Mk2 'JAG 400' as driven in period by Stirling Moss, Jack Sears, and Mike Parkes. If anyone interested in the subject has anything they would like to contribute to the draft please do! Mac Edmunds (talk) 20:09, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I haven't been involved in many motorsport AfC's, does this meet WP:NMOTORSPORT? MB2437 21:05, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Without going through every single ref, my main concern is that majority of them may be passing mentions, opposed to actual articles about him (to satisfy WP:GNG).

Also, I'd suggest using an infobox to mention "The Sultan of Slide" nickname. I have no clue about the driver, but if its a nickname that isn't really used in practice, then it might be better to just throw it in the nickname field under an infobox.

Further, per WP:DAILYMAIL, you should avoid using it as a source (ref 45). Otherwise, I think that the draft looks pretty good! GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 21:59, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes - there are a lot of passing mentions. I use those more to verify my information. There are a few more specific, detailed sources on him. One referencing his 1999 Goodwood debut, and an interview from 2001 spring to mind. In a previous edit, I did add an Infobox, but as there aren’t many parameters to include (notable parents, other family, etc.), I removed it. Perhaps I’ll add it back for the reasons you mention, and also move the external links into the website parameter. Mac Edmunds (talk) 09:46, 27 March 2025 (UTC)