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Formula One racing

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User:Pksois23 has questioned the title of the Formula One racing article. Interested editors are welcome to contribute to the existing discussion. DH85868993 (talk) 09:29, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Formula One racing#Requested move 19 February 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPathtalk 09:58, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adrian Newey AMR25 involvement

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Started a discussion here regarding whether or not we should consider Newey's involvement in the AMR25 in his career results. This should also have implications in the AMR25 infobox, where he has now been added as the technical director. MB2437 19:41, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Verstappen 2021 ADGP

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There is a discussion at Max Verstappen about a WP:SPAs (F1WDC2021) edits regarding the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, re-writing several sections of the article—including the lead—and writing full essays on how he was 'only the champion' because of blah, without citing any independent commentary. Tried to take this to ANI as this user has also done so at Michael Masi, Mohammed Ben Sulayem, and Abu Dhabi—was told to take this to the talk page instead and now I'm fairly sure I'm arguing with GPT. Need a consensus! MB2437 00:05, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

British nationality changes

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Over the past two weeks or so, there have been widespread edits to change various driver articles leads and/or infoboxes to say English/Scottish opposed to British. This can be primarily seen on Damon Hill (-> english), Graham Hill (-> english), and Jim Clark (-> Scottish).

The infobox issue is easily revertable as vandalism; it is the parameter for their racing license, not actual nationality. However, I have looked and am unable to find a convention for differentiating from Scottish/English and British in lead sections. I assume that this is an unwritten precedent, but I am bringing this up for two reasons: 1) Is there a specific MOS, policy, guideline, consensus or written precedent that deals with this, and if not, 2) what is the right way to approach this besides reverting for vandalism and citing unwritten precedents? Should we try to achieve consensus here?

If this was an isolated incident I wouldn't really care, but it's been happening more and more recently and is frankly somewhat hard to justify constant reversions besides for edit warring, in my opinion. I could be massively overthinking this, but I atleast wanted to bring this to the WikiProject talk page. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 23:21, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is WP:F1 convention to say British in the leads and infoboxes, followed by "from England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland" in the lead. Generally, I have not included "from England" when writing leads as it sacrifices concision for something that is not contentious; just a lone IP being disruptive on the Hill articles. The precedent otherwise is a good one, as each of these drivers are notable for being British athletes. Clark has been a recurring issue. Semi-protection for articles such as Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart may be in order. The only exception to this has been Eddie Irvine, where the consensus—albeit an old one—is to omit British from the lead. MB2437 23:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, missed this somehow. Pretty much clears this up. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 23:44, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Let's make something very clear. Changing infoboxes to English/Scottish is not vandalism. Because they are English/Scottish. In the first instance it is a good faith edit. If they continue to do it it becomes disruptive. But at no point would it be vandalism. Claiming it is vandalism is both WP:BITING, and a failure to assume good faith. And when you do request protection, the admin may subconsciously not assume as mych good faith as they should. SSSB (talk) 07:01, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You are right, I was using the wrong term. I meant it more so in a way that can be easily justifiable to revert, as there has been a written precedent for infobox to represent sporting nationality. Saying that it was vandalism was just a misphrasing on my part. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 15:29, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note The convention only applies to drivers. Whilst I'd argue "British" is preferable for Ron Dennis, it isn't worth edit warring over. MB2437 23:05, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]