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Discussion for Today

This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025_May_14

May 14

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Mister International Philippines

Propose merging Category:Mister International Philippines to Category:Mister International (Philippines)

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories ^SMason_Garrison 02:27, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, they are obviously duplicates. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:34, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and clarify distinction: I can understand your saying "obviously", but Mister International Philippines 2024 is not a duplicate of Mister International 2024 (Philippines). The competition split into two factions in 2023. See the intro paragraph at Mister International (Philippines) and second paragraph of Mister International 2022. I don't fully understand the timing as Mister International Philippines 2022 (held in June 2022) states that it was inaugural, whereas the other pages state that the split happened the next year. – Fayenatic London 13:35, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... do we have any other examples of categories that have made similar splits? I'd love to not reinvent the wheel. ^SMason_Garrison 13:46, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Hi, just to be clear—the page story represents a series of organizational disputes to provide context. It began in 2022 at the Mister International 2022 pageant in the Philippines, around October. The event was conducted by the Philippines' national director, Manuel Deldio. At that time in history the pageant appeared to be operating normally. Pradinut of Thailand and Deldio of the Philippines were both national directors in their respective countries and were reportedly close at the time to the founder of the pageant Alan Sim who created Mister International in 2006 in Singapore. That was also the time in history that the Philippines had the Vice President position in the Mister International organization. The problems began in October of 2022, when the founder, Alan Sim, died. Both parties took that as the point of conflict, each claiming to be the rightful owner of the pageant. In 2023, each party had a press conference to assert their claims of leadership. The side of the Philippines argued that Alan had passed along the leadership to them, since Deldio was in the line of Succession as Vice President. The side of Thailand claimed that the leadership was passed along to Pradinut, since he was a close friend of Sim. To bolster their positions, the Philippine side continued utilizing the legacy Mister International logo, stating it was for the legacy, while the Thailand side had a new logo for a new chapter of the pageant. In 2023 both sides had separate editions of the pageant. In the Philippines, this was reflected in the Mister International Philippines 2023 national pageant, produced through the Mister International brand claimed by Deldio. Mister Pilipinas Worldwide sent a representative to the version in Thailand. Essentially, I made the categories separately distinguishing them with the identifiers "(Philippines)" and "(Thailand)" to delineate them from the two existing international pageants. The Mister International Philippines category is different from Mister International (Philippines) - they are related, but not the same. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 23:13, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the most recent comment (by the creator)?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 01:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Local Now affiliates

Propose deleting Category:Local Now affiliates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: There are currently no affiliates for this network anymore. This is mostly a FAST channel now. OWaunTon (talk) 19:41, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. There are three pages in the category. ^SMason_Garrison 22:10, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but they no longer affiliated with the network. OWaunTon (talk) 00:31, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Smasongarrison: do you have further thoughts about this? Marcocapelle (talk) 10:24, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, the nominator has prematurely emptied this category. Please do not do this, OWaunTon, that's the purpose of having this CFD discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:10, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the user above said they were articles listed, so I assume they would think it's still affiliates.

So I don't know where to go from here. OWaunTon (talk) 01:13, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please restore them. Do you have any sources that support your claim that they're no longer affiliated? ^SMason_Garrison 13:43, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On RabbitEars here: https://www.rabbitears.info/search.php?request=network_search&network=Local+Now OWaunTon (talk) 15:17, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And if I restore, someone will revert them, so can't do that. OWaunTon (talk) 15:20, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, OWaunTon. The editors who regularly participate in CFD discussions know that categories are not supposed to be emptied while the discussion is ongoing. It's only editors who are not familiar with CFD discussions who make these mistakes. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:24, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I didn't know, so yeah, what do I do then, restore them? OWaunTon (talk) 01:01, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I have restored all pages removed from the category. Discussion on whether the category should continue to exist would be appreciated :)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 01:54, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]