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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Somalis in the United Kingdom was copied or moved into Black British with this edit on 19:02, 20 December 2015. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

New image

Hello all, I added an image to this page as part of a short-term paid project to share images of a year of culture that was held in Leeds. There's more on the project here and more images to make use of here. Many thanks Lajmmoore (talk) 10:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OED

@Jamessharison, you have removed the text from the OED multiple times now. I don't quite understand your reason, that OED is either unreliable or being used out of context? In which way? Please read WP:BRD, as this may be helpful. I count three separate editors who've reverted these edits in recent days, so it's worth seeking consensus for your changes here. Lewisguile (talk) 16:57, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is not appropriate for the opening line it’s like putting white British or white Britons it should not be in the opening Jamessharison (talk) 19:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC) (

Blocked sockpuppet of Hssstrt, see investigation)[reply]

Why not? I still can't understand your reasoning on this. Can you explain in more detail? "White British people or white Britons" seems perfectly fine to me, as well. Is it the word "Briton" you object to? Do you perhaps find it offensive for some reason? Appropriateness is determined by what reliable sources say, at any rate, because Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED. Lewisguile (talk) 12:48, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Page name

Wouldn't it be more WP:CONSISTENT (with White Irish, White British, and the like) to be called Black British instead of Black British people)? Googabbagabba (talk) 22:26, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to follow the WP:RM process, which will attract other editors, some of whom might have substantial experience in this sort of issue across wikipedia. The current page-name is the result of exactly that process (see Talk:Black British people/Archive 2#Requested move 4 December 2019), so it should not be changed without a new discussion to generate a new WP:CONSENSUS. DMacks (talk) 22:48, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia doesn't require similar titling between different articles. In general, those articles seem to deal with the subjects primarily as census classifications, rather than as group identities. Black British predates the use as a census classification, so it makes sense it's about the people who use the term rather than the term itself. Lewisguile (talk) 13:34, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Removing Panting of unknown origin

I am removing a panting of unknown origin https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/jun/23/lost-portrait-allegorical-painting-of-two-ladies-compton-verneyin 2A00:23C7:90A8:EF01:19AB:5E80:6D15:F666 (talk) 19:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May not be British subjects 2A00:23C7:90A8:EF01:19AB:5E80:6D15:F666 (talk) 19:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Admin note: thank you for starting this discussion. The image should remain pending it, as usual WP:BRD-like process. DMacks (talk) 21:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Going’s to remove it no objections yet 2A00:23C7:90A8:EF01:D591:C070:CE39:57FE (talk) 21:34, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wanna be blocked for edit-warring? Be my guest. DMacks (talk) 21:40, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t but there are no objections and the people in the panting are not thorough to be of real people 2A00:23C7:90A8:EF01:D591:C070:CE39:57FE (talk) 21:44, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome to let the discussion continue while others have a chance to chime in. This is not a policy-level violation that demands either removal pending discussion or action in merely a few hours. I protected the article to prevent further disruption pending this discusion happening. I would gently point out that using a 404/deadlink to support your position is not a strong position to take. DMacks (talk) 21:45, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How long do I have to wait? 2A00:23C7:90A8:EF01:D591:C070:CE39:57FE (talk) 21:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How long do I have to wait till I can edit? 2A00:23C7:90A8:EF01:3C7C:7A30:8A42:6905 (talk) 16:56, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where is it stated in the link you shared that this art is not of British origin? On what reliable sources have you drawn that conclusion? If anything, majority of the sources on it's wikipedia page do state the painting is of the English school. Kwesi Yema (talk) 00:07, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It’s stated on its wiki page that it’s by an unknown artist and on the uk gov website as well and more sources 2A00:23C7:90A8:EF01:51D3:1EDB:890D:30FB (talk) 07:35, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And it’s not thorough they are even real anyway https://www.cnn.com/style/article/britain-painting-export-bar-intl-scli-gbr 2A00:23C7:90A8:EF01:51D3:1EDB:890D:30FB (talk) 07:44, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that the artist is unknown does not justify removal. This article is not about the creator of the painting. And the fact that the people in the image are not real does not mean anything. All sources on the wiki page of the painting agree it is of the English School. From the link you just shared; UK Arts Minister Parkinston, talks about how informative the painting is on race and gender in 17th century England. You have provided no real substance as to why this image must be removed. Your arguments read as a case of I just don't like it. Kwesi Yema (talk) 11:19, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There not even real people and the artists are unknown there is no reason for it be on this page 2A00:23C7:90A8:EF01:51D3:1EDB:890D:30FB (talk) 12:40, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And please stop edit warning 2A00:23C7:90A8:EF01:51D3:1EDB:890D:30FB (talk) 12:43, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The image is a representation of a Black person in 17th century England. It doesn't need to be based on a real person because the image itself is a primary source. Majority of the sources agree it is of English origin. Some sources even state it may be a representation racial matters in 17th century England. MOS:IMAGEREL also states: "Images should look like what they are meant to illustrate, regardless of whether they are authentic. For example, a painting of a cupcake may be an acceptable image for Cupcake"

You have been edit warring since 7 June. Several editors have disputed your removal. Your argument is that the painting is not of British origin and that the people are not real. But sources say the painting is of the English school. And no wiki policy demands historical images to be based exactly on real people. This is why numerous articles have historical paintings that are not actually based on someone. Kwesi Yema (talk) 13:30, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How about I move it down? 2A00:23C7:90A8:EF01:51D3:1EDB:890D:30FB (talk) 13:56, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. Kwesi Yema (talk) 13:35, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]